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PostPosted: 00:47 - 11 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yes I grew up on a shit hole estate in glorious Weston-super-Mare but my Mum worked like fuck while my Gran brought me up. She even took an extra evening job just so she could buy me a new Grammar school uniform and I wouldn't have to go and get from the school cast offs.

Scrounger? Difficult one but I think once you have gone say 2 generations without anyone in the family contributing rather than taking from the system, you should be able categorise them as congenital wasters.

Privileged Tut Tut Would you say attending a grammar school helped you get out of that environment? The problem today is that people are born on rough estates, attend shit local schools, and get stuck there. It seems to be it's those who get an unusual opportunity, I guess grammar school counted as that in ye olden days, those that have a natural talent, or unusually supportive parents that make it out.


Yes. Grammar schools take the brighter away from the influence of the stabby thick types.

I knew twins who got split at 13+, one in my class at the grammar, one stayed at the secondary. Guess how they progressed in life.
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PostPosted: 00:48 - 11 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't be that good if an idiot like you got in there, TBH.
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PostPosted: 00:56 - 11 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Oh! New news. From Mr Corbyn:

https://www.scribd.com/document/399055327/Letter-to-PM-06-February-2019-1#from_embed

Now *THAT* is "Brino". I do not think that I could support such an arrangement.


Mrs May has rejected it. Good to see she's still doing the right thing:

"Theresa May has effectively ruled out Labourís ideas for a compromise Brexit plan, shutting off another potential route to a deal as business groups warned that with less than 50 days to go the departure process was entering the ďemergency zoneĒ.

The prime ministerís formal response to Jeremy Corbynís proposal, in a letter to the Labour leader, stressed her objections to keeping the UK in some form of customs union, saying this would prevent the UK making its own trade deals." (Guradian)


So the people elected to run the country, donít obey to the ones who werenít?

Err? Yep. Thatís how it works.
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PostPosted: 01:31 - 11 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apparently the sh1t in France is really going down but being blocked by pro EU controlled news outlets.

Some proper nasty sh1t going down with the government hiring in heavies to attack anyone not towing the line, as police are refusing to beat up their own citizens.

The EU is awesome and definitely a safe future, said nobody with half a brain.
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PostPosted: 12:48 - 11 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thebrexitparty.org is now up and people are registering interest.

Itís now an official party. Letís see if it puts the shits up the remain centred main parties.
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PostPosted: 12:54 - 11 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 CPT wrote:
Apparently the sh1t in France is really going down but being blocked by pro EU controlled news outlets.

Some proper nasty sh1t going down with the government hiring in heavies to attack anyone not towing the line, as police are refusing to beat up their own citizens.

The EU is awesome and definitely a safe future, said nobody with half a brain.

I've said this before but wasn't it obvious Macron was a stooge? They'd have been better off with that biro lady.
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PostPosted: 13:11 - 11 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Investment Week wrote:
According to the Office for National Statistics (ONS), Q4 performance dragged annual GDP down to 1.4% in 2018, the lowest growth since 2012.

GDP fell 0.4% in December, having grown 0.2% in October and November, driven by a drop in construction, production and services output in the final month of the year.


If only someone warned us that this may happen... 🤔
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PostPosted: 13:18 - 11 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Tedious doom and gloom cos Brexit innit


Oh no, this looks terrible..It's the end of the world, I tell you. That tiny little dip at the end which is about the same as every 4th quarter. Nothing to do with the weather and world cup boosting the quarter before then?

https://d3fy651gv2fhd3.cloudfront.net/charts/united-kingdom-gdp-growth.png?s=ukgrybzq&v=201902111137a1&d1=20090101&d2=20191231

And which publications are pushing this doom headline? That's right, Al Beeb and The Guardian, so all the remainers can get off on thinking they're right and everyone else is wrong.
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PostPosted: 13:19 - 11 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meanwhile Germany has -0.2 gdp growth
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PostPosted: 13:22 - 11 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 CPT wrote:
Thebrexitparty.org is now up and people are registering interest.

Itís now an official party. Letís see if it puts the shits up the remain centred main parties.


It will be interesting to see if it does. It will also be interesting to see if those prepared to vote for a single issue party are divided between Farage and UKIP/YL.

I can see the grey vote going to Farage and the 'I'm not a racist but...' vote going to UKIP/YL on the back of his anti-Islam stance. The votes will effectively cancel each other out leading to the Tories getting back into power without a majority.

Plus Áa change, plus cíest la mÍme chose and all that....
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PostPosted: 13:26 - 11 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

cdlxxvi wrote:
Investment Week wrote:
According to the Office for National Statistics (ONS), Q4 performance dragged annual GDP down to 1.4% in 2018, the lowest growth since 2012.

GDP fell 0.4% in December, having grown 0.2% in October and November, driven by a drop in construction, production and services output in the final month of the year.


If only someone warned us that this may happen... 🤔

Yes brexiteers, short term pain for long term gain Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 13:30 - 11 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anybody else here not bothering to watch the news on Brexit until the end of March, because anything said between now and then is meaningless posturing on the part of us and the EU?

Nothing of significance will happen between now and then, and it will all take place with hours to go....
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PostPosted: 13:31 - 11 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blame everything on Brexit. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:33 - 11 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diggs wrote:
mpd72 CPT wrote:
Thebrexitparty.org is now up and people are registering interest.

Itís now an official party. Letís see if it puts the shits up the remain centred main parties.


It will be interesting to see if it does. It will also be interesting to see if those prepared to vote for a single issue party are divided between Farage and UKIP/YL.

I can see the grey vote going to Farage and the 'I'm not a racist but...' vote going to UKIP/YL on the back of his anti-Islam stance. The votes will effectively cancel each other out leading to the Tories getting back into power without a majority.

Plus Áa change, plus cíest la mÍme chose and all that....


Do you not think leave voters who feel let down by both Labour and the Tories will jump ship? I won't vote for either of the top two parties until massive personnel changes occur.

Faith in politicians is at an all time low from what I remember in my lifetime, a party which listens to the people rather than doing what it wants, could do very well in this environment.
Over 15,000 have signed up in less than 24 hours, they haven't even got the social media accounts properly setup yet. I only heard of it this morning.
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PostPosted: 13:39 - 11 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

cdlxxvi wrote:
Investment Week wrote:
According to the Office for National Statistics (ONS), Q4 performance dragged annual GDP down to 1.4% in 2018, the lowest growth since 2012.

GDP fell 0.4% in December, having grown 0.2% in October and November, driven by a drop in construction, production and services output in the final month of the year.


If only someone warned us that this may happen... 🤔

It's not exactly the crash Remainers are eager to gloat over though.
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/16F93/production/_105599049_growth_annual-nc.png
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PostPosted: 13:45 - 11 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think most Labour and Tory voters will jump ship to a one-issue party because both major parties will push the view that other things matter, not just Brexit.

Those that do however will cancel each other's votes out unless the Brexit-friendly parties agree to not stand against each other, share the vote and enter into a 3-way coalition with the Tories.
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PostPosted: 13:46 - 11 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:

Yes brexiteers, short term pain for long term gain Rolling Eyes


Sir, your memory seems to be little less then perfect.

We were promised no pains. "There is no downside to Brexit", remember?
We were promised that if pound ever fell, it was to turbocharge UK manufacturing and exports.
We were promised easy free access to European markets.
We were promised trade deals aplenty all around the world, ready on exit day.
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PostPosted: 13:46 - 11 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
cdlxxvi wrote:
If only someone warned us that this may happen... 🤔

It's not exactly the crash Remainers are eager to gloat over though.
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/16F93/production/_105599049_growth_annual-nc.png


Quite. Also, we were warned that this sort of thing might happen. If people didn't bother to read the government's "referendum leaflet", then that's up to them, and they should not imply "no-one knew". We were very in fact well informed.


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PostPosted: 13:54 - 11 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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(Brexit party) It will also be interesting to see if those prepared to vote for a single issue party are divided between Farage and UKIP/YL.


If we're still in the EU and vote in the euro-elections, then I expect the Brexit party to generally win wherever it stands, and probably over 50 anti-EU MEPs to be returned.

Re UKIP, I would anticipate that the Brexit party will take virtually all of its remaining voters who are now holding their noses to vote for it due to the absence of another anti-EU party, leaving it with the "rump" members (quip intended) of the BNP/EDL types. It will probably lose a few officers too, of the reasonable type, leaving horrors like Batten to stwe in their own juice.

However, I expect that we will exit the EU in an acceptable manner, and that neither party will survive after that, their function having been performed.
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PostPosted: 13:57 - 11 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

The simplest way to look at it is the oranges scenario. We currently import most of ours from Spain. When we leave, they will be more expensive because a tariff will be imposed and it will take them longer to get to market. This is indisputable.

Now, Israel also grows oranges, and it can be argued that we simply import Israeli oranges instead. Fine, except that the cost of transporting them from Israel will be borne by the consumer. Again this is indisputable.

Either way, our oranges will cost more. This model can be applied to all goods we currently import from the EU. Regardless of the cost of cars etc, if our grocery bills go up by, say, 5%, we will be poorer or we will need wage rises of 5% to compensate. Will an employer simply up our wages by 5% without a corresponding increase in productivity? Will it chuff....

When we become poorer there will be less money in our economy to spend on other goods, leading to a downward spiral.

If we had enough available and accessible land to grow food for our population this could be a good thing because it would stimulate the home market. Trouble is, we haven't. This means we will continue to import food....

This isn't 'project fear' at play Mpg before you suggest that it is....
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PostPosted: 14:02 - 11 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diggs wrote:
The simplest way to look at it is the oranges scenario. We currently import most of ours from Spain. When we leave, they will be more expensive because a tariff will be imposed and it will take them longer to get to market. This is indisputable.

It's indisputable, apart from the fact it's based on assumptions?
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PostPosted: 14:04 - 11 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Anybody else here not bothering to watch the news on Brexit until the end of March, because anything said between now and then is meaningless posturing on the part of us and the EU?

Nothing of significance will happen between now and then, and it will all take place with hours to go....


There are still a few interesting things in the printed & online press. TV "news" is even less useful. Both are often misleading.
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PostPosted: 14:07 - 11 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diggs wrote:
The simplest way to look at it is the oranges scenario. We currently import most of ours from Spain. When we leave, they will be more expensive because a tariff will be imposed and it will take them longer to get to market. This is indisputable.


I am unsure who you aim that comment at, but I cartainly dispute that it is indisputable.

Edit: Aha. It was aimed at green-ink man whose comments I do not see. Don't let me get in the way of your private argument. Apologies.


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PostPosted: 14:10 - 11 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't think most Labour and Tory voters will jump ship to a one-issue party because both major parties will push the view that other things matter, not just Brexit.

Those that do however will cancel each other's votes out unless the Brexit-friendly parties agree to not stand against each other, share the vote and enter into a 3-way coalition with the Tories.


It's just a deterrent to keep the main two parties from sabotaging a proper Brexit. So long as a decent proportion of the voters keep showing as eating into their polling figures, the main parties will be a bit more cautious in pushing their own agenda, over the democratic will of the voters.

Personally I expect it to take over from UKIP, now they've been tainted with the shitty race card stick.
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