Bad backs and centre stands

[Andy_Pagin]

For the umpteenth time I've done my back in trying to get the Fazer onto the centre stand. Would it be easier to get a paddock stand instead, I've never used one.
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Yamaha Vity -> YBR125 -> FZS600 Fazer -> FZ1-S Fazer

[Ste]

Yes, you'll just have to master the art of holding the bike whilst putting the paddock stand in place.

[Meatybeaty]

Try one of these
https://abbastands.co.uk/product-detail.asp?item=superbike-stand&pid=1

[Pete.]

Most of the work of putting a bike on the centre stand should be done in the legs by pushing down on the foot lever. If you want to make it easier have someone weld a bit of an extension to the lever.
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[Andy_Pagin]

Agreed I should be able to do it, and a couple of years ago I could, but it looks like I'm on the way to having the same knackered spinal discs my mum has, so paddock stands seem to be the only solution. Anyway can someone recommend makes to go for/avoid, is a bobbin system better, can bobbins be fitted to a 2003 Fazer?
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Yamaha Vity -> YBR125 -> FZS600 Fazer -> FZ1-S Fazer

[Ste]

Looking at pictures of the 2003 Fazer swing arm, I don't think they've got a thread which can be used for bobbins.

Cheap tubular paddock stands are to be avoided because they'll staart to twist and bend and be crap. Box section ones along the lines of the Harris stands are what you want although the Harris ones are a bit pricey! Tubular ones aren't the end of the world as long as they're not shitty ones.

[Andy_Pagin]

Just had a look and you're right, no bobbin mounts on the Fazer.
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Yamaha Vity -> YBR125 -> FZS600 Fazer -> FZ1-S Fazer

[ADSrox0r]

Any stand is going to require some amount of heft to get it up (fnar) so if the centre stand dicks your back, I doubt a paddock stand would do it much good either.

You need a hydraulic solution. I use an Abba Skylift for maintenance that would ordinarily have me on my hands and knees. Once you have the knack of it, getting the bike up on it is hilariously simple. The downside is it's a very expensive piece of kit.
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[Robby]

Abba stand. You can assemble it all while the bike is on the side stand, then stand up straight and use the lever to get the bike upright and on the stand. Safest for your back.

[Polarbear]

Fazers are a pig to get on the swing arm support type paddock stand like this one.

https://www.sportsbikeshop.co.uk/product_images/oxford_rear_paddock_stand_ride.jpg

There is no provision for bobbins (on a 2000 anyway).

Get an Abba stand.
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[Stalk]

Have the same problem with the Divvy when the rear tyre is worn, the smaller diamiter makes it a struggle. Easiest solution I have found is to wheel the bike backwards onto an inch thick piece of timber, (back wheel only), and this makes the centre stand slightly straighter to begin with. So much easier, pull wood out after leaving bike happy on centre stand.

Hope that might help
Stalk

[iooi]

[Stalk]

Should point out that mine has a fazer rear shock, coz I’m tight, and it should and is easy when the tyre is new, but when the tyre is worn it doesn’t matter if I have my full body weight on it, it’s not happening, and I’ve had the bike for enough years and 5 sets of tyres to know. Anyway, the point of my explanation was to try to help the op.
All the best chap!

[weasley]

Can’t you ride the rear wheel onto a plank of wood or something to give yourself a fighting chance?
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[Pete.]

What about a helper bar for when you need to put the stand down. Sort of like a loose extension piece that you can use for extra leverage.
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132.9mph off and walked away. Gear is good, gear is good, gear is very very good

[kramdra]

Swingarm pivot stands have the advantage of a big fucking lever you can pull on, whilst also using your foot, and in my case, preference of pushing the bike forwards, rather than reverse, tho I can use stand either way round.

https://i.postimg.cc/V6gHS573/IMG-20190211-020632.jpg



* Some core and back strengthening excersises might be more use if you are a fat old git like most on here.

[Cookiemonster...]

[Teflon-Mike]

I find the centre stand most use, in a tight parking spot, to keep the bike up-right and more easily fit in the gap, than leaning over on the kick-stand.....

The two-Ronnies digital watch sketch springs to mind, with Corbet showing off all the amazing functions of this electonical gizmo on his wrist at a railway station... then picking up his suit-cased, and adding... "mind the batteries are a bit of a bugga to lug about...."... and I have images of the bike falling over whilst you try un-bungee a paddock stand from the pillion-seat!lol!

At home; the Seven-Fifty lives in the 'stack' between the other bikes on its centre-stand, because it takes up less space in the row....

If I leave it on the side-stand.... it half covers the back door.... and at night, the dog rushes out for a wee... we hear a 'splat' as she trips over the stand, then a yelp... and she comes rushing back in, looking pitiful..... though I'm not sure this entirely depends which stand the bike's been put on! Actually... 'Staffie'... They still want to put them on the dangerous dogs-list... I'm not entirely convinced they qualify.... 'dangerous'... well there Is a definite drowning risk.. thinking of having a warning sign made "Beware the Pooch - Its like a Timex... it takes a kickin' and keeps on lickin'!" But, its so daft, and clumsy, If it had a Brain, it might be dangerous.... but I detract....

Where was I?... 'parking'.. Seven Fifty rolls onto its centre stand fairly easily, I have to say... its jacked 3" and the stand barely lifts the back wheel off the floor! Actually have to make sure its not on the 'low' paving slab or it does actually 'wobble'! The 125's are actually harder a lot of the time, probably down to the lower ground clearance and 'weak' centre-stand foot-levers.... which is worth a mention actually.

Snowie struggled horrendously with the Super-Dream centre stand trying to get the knack for her CBT and Mod1 'Manual Handling'... spent quite a bit of time muggering around with that, and trying to get the pivot actually pivoting properly... which on the latest one-done, was actually to chuck away the horrible plate-steel pivot-tube, the stand don't turn on, twisting instead in the usually ovulated bracket holes in the frame; replacing the pivot with an old wheel bolt/axle, and putting some turned down top-hat bushes into both the ovalated frame luggs and the stand to take it... makes a HUGE difference to actually have a stand that 'hinges' properly.....

LOL! Sorry, aside having just mentioned the mutt, I HAVE to interject! Pooch was whiniking at the back door to be let out, so I went and put the kettle on and opened the door..... whinicking stopped, pooch tumbled out, and STOPPED exactly next to the Seven-Fifty's side stand... looked over her shoulder at me, sort of "Ha! Didn't get me THIS time!"..... and ran straight into a Super-Dream! Lol! Where was I?

Oh yeah! Centre stand! Makes a HUGE difference if the stands 'good' and not wobbling around on a crusty old pivot, more still that the stand isn't rotten and weak and wobbly, with the 'feet' often rusted through, and that the lift-lever on the side is straight and strong....

Whether parking at home, or anywhere else.

At home. The paddock stands, are generally only used during renovation works or major service. It IS easier with the leverage of the stand arm to lift a bike with one... but as has been mentioned.... getting the dang bike 'straight' and on the cups to be able to lift it onto the paddoc to start, makes the job as or harder than using the centre stand as designed.

So, really, I don't think that a paddock stand is likely much of a solution to much here, all told, and could make as many problems as it solves.

And you may be as well off, either way to pay a little bit of remedial on the centre stand as is, to see if you cant make it any easier to use.

And avoid Staffies! unless you are wearing full armour and water-proofs! Lol! Maybe they are right to want to put the PIT-Bum-Terrible on the Dangerous Dogs list!

Post script:-
Just a thought come back to me. On the Seven-Fifty, when I last tore down and painted, the bottom 'feet' of the centre stand had worn so thin, there were actually holes through to the tube. But flash-back was to a rally, where chap was very proud to show me that he had made 'new' feet for his bikes centre-stand, and welded them over the originals. The plates he made the feet from were larger, so they spread the weight better on soft ground, like at a rally, they were also curved, so the bike rolled them onto the stand as you pulled it back, but also, the 1/2 inch or so they added to the stands height, meant that it 'lifted' the wheel off the ground that bit earlier.

As suggested, looking at the stand, a little remedial might help a lot, and a little adaptation like that could make it a lot easier to use.

Further 'thunk' about the lift-heights, makes me wonder whether that may be something to investigate also. Adding length to the stand, begs the notion that it would try and lift the bike further when used, so possible harder to lift, in the opposite way that the Seven-Fifty, jacked up so much, rolls on the stand really easy, only lifting the back wheel maybe 1/2" or so off the floor.

Perhaps, a plank of wood, under where you put the stand down, to give it a little extra length and less of a lift, might be all that you need... or offer insight for messings to do something else to make it easier to park?
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[Pete.]

Another option Andy is a front wheel chock. That leaves the bike upright and stable so using a rear stand would be a simple matter.
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a.k.a 'Geri'

132.9mph off and walked away. Gear is good, gear is good, gear is very very good

[barrkel]

I dropped my VFR once trying to get it on the centre stand and rocking - it didn't have enough backward momentum to make it over the pivot hump and when it rolled off the stand again it fell away from me.

Forget putting weight on it and pulling - I weigh about 55kg, the only way I could get it on the stand with confidence was on a slight upward incline, so that gravity was lending backward momentum.

Simulating an upward incline if one isn't available would be my only tip. Abba stand or similar is fine but a faff compared with the centre stand, adds a good 10 minutes getting it out, putting it on, taking it off and putting it away if you're doing something that shouldn't take long, like greasing the chain.
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[ADSrox0r]

VFR is hideously heavy to get on the stand if you haven't got the weight to pivot it. I'm a gorilla but even then some days it takes two goes, it does take your full body weight on it at just the right moment.

And picking up a dropped VFR? Yeah, only had to do that twice....adrenaline, and do it in one otherwise she's having a nice long nap.
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[Serendipity]

Andy, how freely does your centre stand move? My lard-arse of a CBF had become a pain to lever up onto the stand due to corrosion on the pivot shaft making the stand hard to move. In fact I only fixed it because the stand finally stopped retracting fully and I scared the poop out of myself dragging a half lowered stand round the first corner of the day.

It wasn’t an easy job. Detaching the springs took effort and driving the shaft out took massive amounts of brutality. However, once cleaned, sanded, greased and reassembled the difference was astonishing. The bike now pops up onto the stand with zero lifting. I just line the feet up with the ground and put a little body weight on the lever and up she goes. I’d say it’s easier than my comparatively lightweight CB500.

[MCN]

I tore tendoms in my medial gastrocnemius (a muscle of the calf) about two years ago. Trying to put the k1300 on the centre stand.
Ligaments snap like a stick and it almost made me cry with the pain. I'd take a kick in the bawsack any day rather than a snapped tendon.

I have an abba stand. Seems expensive at first but they are the easiest to use.
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