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Posted: 21:30 - 11 Feb 2019 Post subject: |
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Sales staff have already sold him a lid that doesn't fit properly. |
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How many shell sizes do they use? I had a similar experience with my Nitro, it was fine on my 125, but the first motorway experience and it felt like my head was going to be ripped off.
I bought a better lid from a manufacturer that doesn't use one shell size |
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newbiemt07rider wrote: | The helmet fit is fine, I got it from J&S, I've had it 3 years there is nothing wrong with the fit.
Does anyone know a good helmet for a naked bike as there is a difference when riding a naked bike compared to a sports bike. |
Something without a peak. That's about it, the rest is down to personal preference, budget, and the fit on your noggin. There is no specific type of lid for nakeds, sports, cruisers etc. I wear a peaked lid for most things other than motorway miles, irrespective of the bike I'm on. I prefer it, but it'll make your neck look like a roided up gym bunny's does if you do serious miles with it, no matter if on a faired bike or naked. ____________________ '98 VFR800 (touring) - '12 VFR800 Crosrunner (Commuting) - '01 KDX220 (Big Green Antisocial Machine) |
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I've got a Spartan carbon too, definitely not the same. Also an HJC RPHA 10. The renewed Speed-R is imaginatively called
the "Speed-R 2 " Best visor catch of my three lids is on the HJC. It's central and snaps shut well and it can be operated
with either hand regardless of how thick your gloves are. It's a nice lid for aerodynamics too, shoulder checks especially.
Worst thing about it is the strap pads can come adrift but it's a minor issue. I'm having an RPHA 11 next.
The Spartan actually shares it's design DNA with the Skwal series illuminated lids. ____________________ Currently enjoying products from Ford, Mazda and Yamaha
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From "SHARP" the cheapest/dearest full-face helmets/star ratings are currently:
3* Shox Sniper £29.99/Schuberth SR2 £549.00
4* Agrius Rage SV £29.99/Arai RX-7 GP £589.00
5* Duchinni D832 £59.99/AGV PISTA GP R £999.99
Note: there are I'm sure other "measures of satisfaction" than the SHARP tests ( https://sharp.dft.gov.uk/sharp-testing/ ). This is also interesting: https://blm.io/blog/motorcycle-helmet-safety-price/ |
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SHARP ratings are overrated.
A page from whyarai.co.uk about Arai helmets and SHARP tests:
"Thank you for contacting us and giving Phoenix Distribution (NW) Ltd a chance to give a response instead of just taking on board what you have read about the Sharp test results. It offers us the opportunity to explain why you have made, or will make, the right decision choosing Arai.
During the Sharp tests, all helmets are tested on five precisely described and positioned impact points. Every Arai helmet tested, scored exceptionally well on three of these points. Only the test results on the fourth and fifth, so-called “X-point” were less satisfactory. The position of this X-point is marked on the drawing.
We have however severe doubts about the location of this particular X-point. Doubts that are shared not only by other renowned helmet manufacturers, but by many leading expert journalists as well, as you can read in several motorcycle magazines and on internet forums.
This is because through many years of R&D;, intense study of motorcycle accidents and immense racing experience, Arai are of the opinion that indicated X-points are less likely to suffer severe impacts. This point is well protected by the riders shoulder. In case of an accident, the shoulder would hit an object (ground) and therefore X-point is less likely to make contact.
To create sufficient room for the ears, Arai produces therefore a very strong outer shell, with a thinner piece of polystyrene inner shell around the ears. This construction allows the helmet to exceed all worldwide standard demands at X-point. But more importantly, it allows Arai to produce a very comfortable helmet around the ear with two important advantages:
- more comfort, the rider can concentrate on riding
- less restrictions of (traffic) sounds
Arai has deliberately chosen for these properties, without making any concessions to safety.
Please do also keep in mind that the final Sharp testing standards are still under development and in its current procedure pre-mature. The Department of Transport already announced that further testing procedures are under development.
Could Arai produce a helmet that excels in this particular testing point? Yes, absolutely. But then Arai has to make concessions that are not acceptable to Arai’s proven safety and comfort philosophy.
We are convinced that the test area as defined by Snell offers a more correct reflection under actual impact circumstances. This shows that total helmet construction philosophy and technology is more important than specific point testing.
Arai do have more objections against the test methods and impact points used, as they have the opinion that they don’t reflect real-world accidents or impacts. These are fairly technical matters and have been taken up directly with the Department of Transport."
https://web.archive.org/web/20120819035750/https://www.whyarai.co.uk/sharp.php
That page is 10 years old but I assume Arai and SHARP still aren't on speaking terms with each other.
There's also this page: https://www.motolegends.com/why-we-do-not-rate-the-sharp-helmet-test |
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Posted: 16:32 - 13 Feb 2019 Post subject: Re: Best helmet for MT07 |
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newbiemt07rider wrote: | I've just bought a MT07 and loving it, I came from a YBR 125 so a big difference. |
Difference in what?
The roads are the same, the idiots on them, the same, and so are the speed-limit signs... so what 'really' has changed?
I ride a naked Honda CB Seven-Fifty.... there are two hats in the shelf, one is a rather expensive Shark Evo 'flip', which I rather like, 'cos you can wear it as either an open face or a full-face and flip twixt the two on the move; Other is a very cheap, like £30 cheap open face 'Arashi'.. there are a few more, mostly retired now, including a top of the line Shoei, and an AGV 'something' and a few other nameless open-face....
Up to the National-Speed limit..... Pretty much makes little or no odds... though the 'Peaked' Arashi Steve-Mcqueen style open, may tend to try and lift a bit if as you approach that limit..... and without any eye-protection, bar a pair of spex.... wind does tend to start making eyes water....
But.... all hats are EE or BS or ACU marked.... sod the Sharp ratings really.... IF I come off I am not really all that concerned by them or convinced that the difference between something with one star as opposed to five will make the difference from me getting up and walking away, from the crash, instead of spending unpety months in hospital... probably with my legs in traction, and a completely unscratched crash-hat sat on top of the locker!
So I wear what's appropriate, what's comfortable, and probably most influential... what's convenient! .. .. ... Eg, I want to get to B&Q before it closes, and reach up for the Evo, which is the first hat to hand, and find it's visor needs cleaning... rather than wast time trying to clean it, I'll grab the open... and NOT go so fast on the by-pass, when my eyes start watering.....
Do you sort of get the idea here?
No Crash... no need crash-hat! And it's one of the beauties of naked bikes, that they don't have wind deflecting fairings making a bubble of still air for you to sit in, cosseted from reality like being in a car.... sticking your head into a tiny plastic fish-bowl, is then more 'sort' of clambering into a box, like a car, cutting yourself off from whats around you... but more... and even smaller, more claustrophobic box.... that mists up!!!
So! Go-Naked, Go-Open... take away that box and FEEL whats going on around you.... and when the wind makes your eyes water, or the hat starts to try riding over your head and wind blast is bashing your breast and making you grip the bars like a gorilla........ well.... its a bit of a clue MAYBE you should back off a bit..... and rather than NOT being able to see or even concentrate to see... be able to LOOK! Hay what a pretty old cottage! Or "Oooh.. now that's a nice pair...." or whatever... and see stuff, locked in a hermetic box, whether on your head or around your chair, you probably wouldn't.....
A-N-D likely as anything, that 'thing' you see cos you have slowed down and started paying attention to whats going on around you, is as likely to be the bludy SMIDSY sat in a side-turn, you would have crashed into... and more, going slower, you not only stand more chance of seeing SMIDSY, you'll see him sooner, and going slower have more time to do 'something' about him... and NOT CRASH....
Like I say, no crash, no need crash hat!!!
So... back to top, and WHY do you even think, that you have to have a 'better' crash hat, just cos you have started riding a bigger bike?
You are riding the same roads, with the same hazards on them, the same idiots on them, and the same speed-limits, and they are just as hard to hit, whatever bike you happen to be riding..... so WHY do you think you need a better hat, just cos you have bought a bigger bike?
Does sound like your old hat is probably not the best fit, and more than likely the lining has relaxed more than a little with use, so its even looser now than it was when you got it... b-u-t.... think a little about what the crash-hat is for... and why you 'think' what you have is less than ideal, and if you are going to buy 'better'... make sure that that 'better' is actually doing something 'better' and that that 'something' is actually something 'useful' to you....
If sold for motorcycle use... it should, by law, be fit for purpose and at least EE marked, if not BS marked, if not ACU marked for impact absorption.... which... can be pretty irrelevant, IF you ride NOT to crash, and make use of that impact absorption! ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
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Ste wrote: | SHARP ratings are overrated.
A page from whyarai.co.uk about Arai helmets and SHARP tests:
"Thank you for contacting us and giving Phoenix Distribution (NW) Ltd a chance to give a response instead of just taking on board what you have read about the Sharp test results. It offers us the opportunity to explain why you have made, or will make, the right decision choosing Arai.
During the Sharp tests, all helmets are tested on five precisely described and positioned impact points. Every Arai helmet tested, scored exceptionally well on three of these points. Only the test results on the fourth and fifth, so-called “X-point” were less satisfactory. The position of this X-point is marked on the drawing.
We have however severe doubts about the location of this particular X-point. Doubts that are shared not only by other renowned helmet manufacturers, but by many leading expert journalists as well, as you can read in several motorcycle magazines and on internet forums.
This is because through many years of R&D;, intense study of motorcycle accidents and immense racing experience, Arai are of the opinion that indicated X-points are less likely to suffer severe impacts. This point is well protected by the riders shoulder. In case of an accident, the shoulder would hit an object (ground) and therefore X-point is less likely to make contact.
To create sufficient room for the ears, Arai produces therefore a very strong outer shell, with a thinner piece of polystyrene inner shell around the ears. This construction allows the helmet to exceed all worldwide standard demands at X-point. But more importantly, it allows Arai to produce a very comfortable helmet around the ear with two important advantages:
- more comfort, the rider can concentrate on riding
- less restrictions of (traffic) sounds
Arai has deliberately chosen for these properties, without making any concessions to safety.
Please do also keep in mind that the final Sharp testing standards are still under development and in its current procedure pre-mature. The Department of Transport already announced that further testing procedures are under development.
Could Arai produce a helmet that excels in this particular testing point? Yes, absolutely. But then Arai has to make concessions that are not acceptable to Arai’s proven safety and comfort philosophy.
We are convinced that the test area as defined by Snell offers a more correct reflection under actual impact circumstances. This shows that total helmet construction philosophy and technology is more important than specific point testing.
Arai do have more objections against the test methods and impact points used, as they have the opinion that they don’t reflect real-world accidents or impacts. These are fairly technical matters and have been taken up directly with the Department of Transport."
https://web.archive.org/web/20120819035750/https://www.whyarai.co.uk/sharp.php
That page is 10 years old but I assume Arai and SHARP still aren't on speaking terms with each other.
There's also this page: https://www.motolegends.com/why-we-do-not-rate-the-sharp-helmet-test |
What if you hit a car or another object? |
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Posted: 00:12 - 16 Feb 2019 Post subject: |
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Don't buy an Airi Quantum ST Pro. The fancy friigin visor with the pulldown shade doesn't work and gets ripped off in the wind.
Seriously for a helmet costing over 500 quid I was and am pissed off, anyway.
I would imagine that any streamlined helmet will be fine, you shouldn't be looking sideways very much anyway Put your helmet on at 90deg if it's that bad buy a cruiser then you'll never be going quick enough for the wind to affect you.
Good luck on helmet hunting. |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 5 years, 100 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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