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| cdlxxvi wrote: | | mpd72 CPT wrote: |
If only goods from China, India, Singapore, South Korea and Pakistan, were, as you say, cheaper than EU goods, we'd be laughing.
Oh, hang on, that's a load of sh1te isn't it? |
And pray, with which of these have we got deals ready for 29 March, so we can have all that fresh, cheap, delicious Singaporean tomatoes and Indian beef? |
Exactly the same number that we currently enjoy being an EU member Trigger./
Do you need me to post that list for the 20th time, as it seems to have been ignored by your Remoaner ignorance filter again?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_free_trade_agreements
We'll stand more chance of agreeing one once out of the EU protectionist trading bloc too.
Keep going, this is funny.
By the way, the UK climate is quite capable of growing tomatoes and supporting cattle.  You should get out and about once in a while.
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| Posted: 11:47 - 20 Feb 2019 Post subject: |
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| cdlxxvi wrote: |
Yes, EU27 will suffer some, but their export to us is worth 3% of their GDP, while our export to EU27 is worth 13% of our GDP.
(https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-eu-trade/)
In other words, if we headbutt their front door, they will have a porch to mop, but we will be in a hospital. They won't be happy, but we'll be much worse off. |
Ah, that old Remainer trick of using the statistics for just one country on one side, then grouping all 27 together on the other.
Or to put it in a less bullshi1t way, 3% from the economy each and everyone one of all 27 countries, which makes a far bigger figure than 13% of one. In fact, that figure of trade deficit is £100,000,0000 in favour of the EU.
In fact, no, let's put it this way, the UK is the EU 27's second largest export market. Sorry to piss on your self loathing, but that makes us quite an important market for them.
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| Posted: 11:52 - 20 Feb 2019 Post subject: |
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| mpd72 CPT wrote: | | cdlxxvi wrote: |
Yes, EU27 will suffer some, but their export to us is worth 3% of their GDP, while our export to EU27 is worth 13% of our GDP.
(https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-eu-trade/)
In other words, if we headbutt their front door, they will have a porch to mop, but we will be in a hospital. They won't be happy, but we'll be much worse off. |
Ah, that old Remainer trick of using the statistics for just one country on one side, then grouping all 27 together on the other.
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Strangest thing. It seemed to me until now that Brexit is about one country leaving the union, with 27 others staying in. Must be some case of remoan blindness, from which I am now miraculously cured  |
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MPD's point is valid.
You can't simply say that it'll only be a 3% hit to the EU as a whole.
When the Spanish citrus industry goes over a cliff* and the German car industry takes a catastrophic* hit to it's exports will the remaining EU countries all divvy up to support them?
Just thought I'd use a bit of Remainer language there 
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| panrider_uk wrote: | MPD's point is valid.
You can't simply say that it'll only be a 3% hit to the EU as a whole.
When the Spanish citrus industry goes over a cliff* and the German car industry takes a catastrophic* hit to it's exports will the remaining EU countries all divvy up to support them?
Just thought I'd use a bit of Remainer language there |
Let's discuss based on some numbers - what's the value of Spanish & German exports at stake? |
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| cdlxxvi wrote: | | panrider_uk wrote: | MPD's point is valid.
You can't simply say that it'll only be a 3% hit to the EU as a whole.
When the Spanish citrus industry goes over a cliff* and the German car industry takes a catastrophic* hit to it's exports will the remaining EU countries all divvy up to support them?
Just thought I'd use a bit of Remainer language there |
Let's discuss based on some numbers - what's the value of Spanish & German exports at stake? |
Both countries export considerably more to us than they import from us. The same can be said for around 22 of the 27 EU other countries. Only 1 of the EU countries with an economy worth bothering over has a trade deficit with us - Ireland.
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| Posted: 15:42 - 20 Feb 2019 Post subject: |
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| cdlxxvi wrote: | | mpd72 CPT wrote: |
This will be the same EEA who flog us way more than they buy from us.
I'm not sure you've grasped this whole "Balance of Trade" idea Miss.
We do the majority of our exports already outside of the EU and this trend is growing at an alarming rate and has been for 10 years now. You know this because you've now been shown at least 10 times recently, you just choose to ignore fact which doesn't fit your agenda.
Here, have that graph to ignore once again...
https://fullfact.org/media/uploads/EU_and_other_exports_over_time_v1.png |
Are you saying that it's not a problem at all if we place significant obstacles overnight in half of our international trade? |
It won’t be the end of the world and in the long run we’ll benefit from it.
Personally, like a lot of businesses around Dover, I’ll do very well out of it in the short and long term.
Your naive life experience and lack of knowledge on business, hints at you being either a student, a work dodger, public sector or a combination of the 3, so it won’t affect you anyway.
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| Posted: 17:01 - 20 Feb 2019 Post subject: |
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| cdlxxvi wrote: | | mpd72 CPT wrote: |
It won’t be the end of the world and in the long run we’ll benefit from it.
Personally, like a lot of businesses around Dover, I’ll do very well out of it in the short and long term.
Your naive life experience and lack of knowledge on business, hints at you being either a student, a work dodger, public sector or a combination of the 3, so it won’t affect you anyway. |
The value of our exports to EU is 13% of UK GDP. Let's naively assume that this is the upper bound of GDP loss should Brexit go full Nigel; what effect will that have and how long will it last before we benefit?
For context, the 2009 recession was less than 3% contraction. This resulted in >800k lost jobs, and real wages took 10 years to recover. No biggie, right? |
So we might have to pay a small tarrif on 13% of gdp but will be in receipt of the same tarrif on a figure much higher than that 13%, in the form of tarrif a the EU must pay us to sell here.
Nice one Dianne! Mathematical genius at work.
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| Posted: 17:50 - 20 Feb 2019 Post subject: |
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So the introduction of tariffs, customs, permissions and what have you will not result in any economic hindrance (since few pages ago you "explained" how tariffs don't raise prices)? Makes perfect sense |
They'll make EU imports less attractive against home grown products and non EU imports. They'll generate work around port areas, bring extra income into the public purse through tariff surplus.
On top of this, we'll finally be able to strike deals with countries we want a deal with, which unfortunately are the ones the EU refuses to allow to compete on their patch.
The establishment wont allow the public to get their own way though, so I wouldn't start crying yet.
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| mpd72 CPT wrote: | | cdlxxvi wrote: |
So the introduction of tariffs, customs, permissions and what have you will not result in any economic hindrance (since few pages ago you "explained" how tariffs don't raise prices)? Makes perfect sense |
They'll make EU imports less attractive against home grown products and non EU imports. They'll generate work around port areas, bring extra income into the public purse through tariff surplus.
On top of this, we'll finally be able to strike deals with countries we want a deal with, which unfortunately are the ones the EU refuses to allow to compete on their patch.
The establishment wont allow the public to get their own way though, so I wouldn't start crying yet. |
It's difficult to see why there are tariff-free agreements at all, the tariffs being such benefit for everyone 
And pray, when will this heaven come to be? We are leaving on the 29th, as it stands, with no deal. Will it take an hour, a day, maybe (shudder) even a week? |
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| cdlxxvi wrote: | | mpd72 CPT wrote: |
They'll make EU imports less attractive against home grown products and non EU imports. They'll generate work around port areas, bring extra income into the public purse through tariff surplus.
On top of this, we'll finally be able to strike deals with countries we want a deal with, which unfortunately are the ones the EU refuses to allow to compete on their patch.
The establishment wont allow the public to get their own way though, so I wouldn't start crying yet. |
It's difficult to see why there are tariff-free agreements at all, the tariffs being such benefit for everyone
And pray, when will this heaven come to be? We are leaving on the 29th, as it stands, with no deal. Will it take an hour, a day, maybe (shudder) even a week? |
The deals are bilaterally worked out so they’re beneficial to each side. Only certain goods and services could be included in most deals.
This is not the case between the U.K. and EU. With a massive trade deficit the single market suits the rest of the EU a lot more than it suits us.
But hey, we’re going round and round in circles. You’ll never admit that life outside if the EU is anything but doom, due to your blinkered life having never actually working in the real world, where a profit needs to be made, market forces cone into play and costs are very real.
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| Sister Sledge wrote: | I'll dare say it: Does having Ireland as part of the UK benefit us?
Could we not just tell them to go it alone? Can we not just tell the North and South of Ireland to combine and 'man up'?
They're not connected to the UK Mainland anyway and by doing so would allow them to combine and we could forget that border.
(I'm genuinely thick) There's mention of the Good Friday Agreement and the border problem (if it even is a real one). How would altering that Good Friday Agreement cause problems? Surely it's Statute Law and can be altered anyway?
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