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cdlxxvi
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PostPosted: 11:36 - 22 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
mpd72 CPT wrote:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_free_trade_agreements


Sir, there is a difference - I know it may be not obvious to some - between free trade inside EU (EU27 keeps it after we go on our unicorn ride), and trade deals between EU and 3rd countries (EU27 keeps them all, while we can freely sell our pork pies to Israel).

One thing is inside EU, the other outside. I know, it's very difficult to recognise which one's which.
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PostPosted: 11:53 - 22 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
cdlxxvi wrote:
Some more fact is, isn't it, that each of those countries will immediately have the 26 other EU countries to fall back on, while we need to fall back on bacon exports to Palestine.


You started off well, and then unfortunately suffered another attack of idiocy. That seems to be your habit, unfortunately (edit: as in your silly reply to the equally silly green-ink man above).

It should be noted that in the case of no-deal, the EU will suffer an immediate shortfall in budgetary funding, so that all else being equal, contributions from countries will have to rise, or receipts fall, or both. It is interesting to compare those worst hit by a no-deal Brexit with those who may have to increase their contributions.
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cdlxxvi
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PostPosted: 12:02 - 22 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Riejufixing wrote:
cdlxxvi wrote:
Some more fact is, isn't it, that each of those countries will immediately have the 26 other EU countries to fall back on, while we need to fall back on bacon exports to Palestine.


You started off well, and then unfortunately suffered another attack of idiocy. That seems to be your habit, unfortunately (edit: as in your silly reply to the equally silly green-ink man above).

It should be noted that in the case of no-deal, the EU will suffer an immediate shortfall in budgetary funding, so that all else being equal, contributions from countries will have to rise, or receipts fall, or both. It is interesting to compare those worst hit by a no-deal Brexit with those who may have to increase their contributions.


So first we have a chat about obstructions in trade, and before we know it it's about budget contributions? The goalposts are so damn fast these days Laughing
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PostPosted: 19:46 - 22 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Didn't the Remainers who quit the Tory Party previously tell us it was better to stay and change an institution from within?
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PostPosted: 20:28 - 22 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I missed what? Al Beeb trying to dress down a factual positive announcement on the UK economy in the lead up to Brexit?

What would you expect from the Pro EU media source, which receives EU funding? I mean, how the feck can they turn this into a negative Project Fear story and keep a straight face?


It appears the BoE disagree with you:-

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Britain's economy is heading for its weakest year since the financial crisis a decade ago, the Bank of England said today as it unveiled its latest forecasts for the UK economy.

The Bank slashed its economic growth forecast for 2019 to 1.2% - warning that Brexit uncertainty has started to take a serious toll on the economy.

Its forecasts imply there is a one in four chance the UK economy dips into a recession.

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PostPosted: 23:13 - 22 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Suntan Sid wrote:

It appears the BoE disagree with you:-

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Britain's economy is heading for its weakest year since the financial crisis a decade ago, the Bank of England said today as it unveiled its latest forecasts for the UK economy.

The Bank slashed its economic growth forecast for 2019 to 1.2% - warning that Brexit uncertainty has started to take a serious toll on the economy.

Its forecasts imply there is a one in four chance the UK economy dips into a recession.


Then we need to stop pissing around and get the fuck out of Dodge, stop arguing about deals and unions, we bail on March 29, WTO and that stops the uncertainty.

We have goals to work to and a time frame to do it in.
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PostPosted: 23:18 - 22 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Uncertainty always causes problems.

Just get on and Brexit already.
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PostPosted: 23:32 - 22 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'm guessing (wouldn't be surprised) the cost of not being in Europe will cost the same as being in Europe.

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PostPosted: 00:40 - 23 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Howling Terror wrote:
I'm guessing (wouldn't be surprised) the cost of not being in Europe will cost the same as being in Europe.

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I honestly believe MOST will hardly know the difference.

They'll still be dirt poor.
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PostPosted: 00:43 - 23 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Parliament will block the UK leaving without a deal, stating that if there is a delay "they will have no-one to blame but themselves".

^Phase 1
- Phase 2 fail to reach a deal so we needs 'nother vote
- Phase 3 what Brexit
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PostPosted: 01:16 - 23 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Polarbear wrote:
Howling Terror wrote:
I'm guessing (wouldn't be surprised) the cost of not being in Europe will cost the same as being in Europe.

woot


I honestly believe MOST will hardly know the difference.

They'll still be dirt poor.


I'll see the difference at work, but unlikely at home.

As long as my wages continue to get paid... Laughing
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I think another 6-12 months of uncertainty would be more harmful than "crashing out."
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PostPosted: 01:36 - 23 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
I think another 6-12 months of uncertainty would be more harmful than "crashing out."


I think a vast number of people share that opinion, unfortunately parliament don't and they aren't listening to those people.

Despite the result of the referendum and May's many assurances that no deal is better than a bad deal, a bad deal is the best that will happen.

I can't see any way that we go on WTO terms, she might be a bloody difficult woman, but she doesn't have the balls to make that happen.
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PostPosted: 02:23 - 23 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Which is why we're not going to be leaving with no deal, everything will be agreed by the 11th hour.

Lots of negotiations and preparations will have been going on behind the scenes since 2016 and those will continue right up until the very last minute.

The delivery of Brexit (or failure to deliver Brexit) will be the start of a Tory leadership race, Corbyn will start banging on about a general election but selling the idea of what would be the 3rd general election in four years will be tricky.
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PostPosted: 02:51 - 23 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ste wrote:
Which is why we're not going to be leaving with no deal, everything will be agreed by the 11th hour.

Lots of negotiations and preparations will have been going on behind the scenes since 2016 and those will continue right up until the very last minute.



Of course, we were never leaving the EU in the way the voters thought they would, that was plain to see when, one by one, all the supposedly staunch leavers took their hats out of the ring when Cameron stepped down; they knew it was an unachievable goal, so they made a token effort, then took a step back and left it to someone thick skinned enough to think she will be remembered as the PM that took us out of the EU...............Not!

There was only one way we could leave the EU on our terms and that was to enter the negotiations by saying we're leaving on March 29, on the WTO ticket, if you don't like that, come and talk to us, the door is open, so we got what we voted for, when we put in a remainer as PM
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PostPosted: 03:04 - 23 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
I think another 6-12 months of uncertainty would be more harmful than "crashing out."


Apparently majority of the UK is tired from all Brexit unicorns now and want to cancel Brexit

https://i.imgur.com/6BHfWYQ.png

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bnp72 will be apoplectic if that happens Laughing
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PostPosted: 09:23 - 23 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Val don't believe those pseudo fake surveys. You know fine well it's a whingeing minority who lost a fair referendum (lies both sides but the actual goal was in the EU or out).
Have you actually listened to the people who phone into LBC and similar shows? Listen long enough and you'll recognise speech patterns from remainers. Listen closely to them and they actually talk a bit like tony blair (he can f*ck off with deserving capital letters). The majority of people who call into those radio shows are paid for/directed by/organised by blair and Co.
If people can't see it then they're blind.

The people voted to leave the EU.
If we don't leave the EU there will be problems.
Government are not allowed to overrule what was voted for.
By problems I don't mean violence.
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PostPosted: 11:38 - 23 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Sister Sledge wrote:
Val don't believe those pseudo fake surveys. You know fine well it's a whingeing minority who lost a fair referendum (lies both sides but the actual goal was in the EU or out).
Have you actually listened to the people who phone into LBC and similar shows? Listen long enough and you'll recognise speech patterns from remainers. Listen closely to them and they actually talk a bit like tony blair (he can f*ck off with deserving capital letters). The majority of people who call into those radio shows are paid for/directed by/organised by blair and Co.
If people can't see it then they're blind.

The people voted to leave the EU.
If we don't leave the EU there will be problems.
Government are not allowed to overrule what was voted for.
By problems I don't mean violence.


I thought the referendum was actually non binding?

Not that it matters. It's political suicide for any politician to say ignore it. The opposition would turn on them and tear them to shreds, even though they probably agree with them. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 12:35 - 23 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Shaft wrote:
Ste wrote:
Which is why we're not going to be leaving with no deal, everything will be agreed by the 11th hour.

Lots of negotiations and preparations will have been going on behind the scenes since 2016 and those will continue right up until the very last minute.



Of course, we were never leaving the EU in the way the voters thought they would, that was plain to see when, one by one, all the supposedly staunch leavers took their hats out of the ring when Cameron stepped down; they knew it was an unachievable goal, so they made a token effort, then took a step back and left it to someone thick skinned enough to think she will be remembered as the PM that took us out of the EU...............Not!

I'm getting a bit sick of continually having to repeat this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Conservative_Party_(UK)_leadership_election

Two Brexiteers eliminated, Leadsom withdrew after calling May a sterile bitch and realising she wasn't going to win. Bojo didn't run as Gove was meant to back his campaign.

All this stuff about brexiteers jumping ship is nonsense and frankly a Val level of comprehension.
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Polarbear wrote:
I thought the referendum was actually non binding?


The result was positively and massively endorsed and approved by parliament as a whole.
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I thought it was perfectly normal for politicians to lie, cheat and break promises? Haven't we been accepting this kind of behaviour for decades, and more? No precedents are being set here.
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