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I think they have certainly plaid down the numbers involved. There was a homemade video on FB that showed huge numbers gathering before the weekends demo.
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Meanwhile, protests continue:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-protests/thousands-march-as-frances-yellow-vest-protests-rumble-on-idUSKCN1QC0NP
I know that France has the highest tax burden and public expenditure of Europe. But sometimes I think that the situation has nothing to do with Macron and his politics. It’s largely a cultural phenomenon that’s a particularly French societal mode of periodic collective “letting off steam”. But if the previous protests were more of a festival nature, the current situation seems much more serious, and it scares me personally. My husband's relatives live East of Marseille, and we were even going to buy property in France.. But now I'm even afraid to go there by car. We've seen what protesters do with cars, we heard they use pepper spray .
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Need to look at more than the size of the crowd.
The headline says it all. France protests 'an economic catastrophe'.
BBC seem to have a hard and fast rule that they aren't ever allowed to publish anything that makes protesting look like a good thing.
I actually wonder if there's anything written in the book of press standards, or whatever their guidelines are called. I wouldn't be surprised if there is some kind of limit set which states media organisations are forbidden from directly inciting mass civil conflict.
Notice how most rage stories are about bad individuals or abstract social sections who can't be directly fought against, and how riots and mass protests are always shown in a bad light, or simply aren't shown at all. |
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So please tell me, in your own words, and providing any examples to prove otherwise, why you think anything about this is "anti left wing"? |
Macron got the left wing vote in France. He's supposed to hold socialist Liberal views.
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BBC seem to have a hard and fast rule that they aren't ever allowed to publish anything that makes protesting look like a good thing.
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Unless it fits their anti Brexit, anti right wing agenda..
I mean come on, do you get BBC news in China? Oh no you don't do you? Let me enlighten you as yo how it is lately. Every single reporter broadcasting from outside parliament now, is filmed in front of a group of anti Brexit protesters, even if the subject is nothing to do with the EU.
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M.C wrote: | Lord Percy wrote: | BBC seem to have a hard and fast rule that they aren't ever allowed to publish anything that makes protesting look like a good thing. |
They always report on counter protests 'winning', and recently you had the kids climate change protests. |
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Macron got the left wing vote in France. He's supposed to hold socialist Liberal views.
It was between Le Pen and Macron, which candidate you you reckon represented the right wing?
He may call himself centrist, but he's basically the Blair of France, which even if not left wing enough for the likes of you, was as left as it got in the final run in. |
Correct, he's of the Blairite variety.
Liberalism doesn't mean left wing, by the way. Liberalism is pretty much cloak-and-dagger capitalism. Its primary demand is freedom, freedom of life, society, business, trade, whatever.
A 'liberal socialist' doesn't even make sense, it sounds like a label used by those who believe in laissez faire governance founded on the principle of everyone being voluntarily nice to each other. |
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Correct, he's of the Blairite variety.
Liberalism doesn't mean left wing, by the way. Liberalism is pretty much cloak-and-dagger capitalism. Its primary demand is freedom, freedom of life, society, business, trade, whatever. |
Liberalism is about as left wing as you can get when it comes to "Refugees Welcome" though and I'd say that "Liberal socialism" is a very good descriptor for the modern Labour party.
Quote: | Liberal socialism is a socialist political philosophy that incorporates liberal principles.[1] Liberal socialism does not have the goal of completely abolishing capitalism and replacing it with socialism,[2] but it instead supports a mixed economy that includes both private property and social ownership in capital goods.[3][4] Although liberal socialism unequivocally favors a market-based economy, it identifies legalistic and artificial monopolies to be the fault of capitalism[5] and opposes an entirely unregulated economy.[6] It considers both liberty and equality to be compatible and mutually dependent on each other |
Lord Percy wrote: | A 'liberal socialist' doesn't even make sense, it sounds like a label used by those who believe in laissez faire governance founded on the principle of everyone being voluntarily nice to each other. |
I think the problem lies with how the traditional left and right have changed and shifted so much, that they've almost reversed now. Far left is about as close as you can get now to modern day Nazism, which many still class as right wing. The far left are almost fascist in their view that the minority rule will force their will on the democratic majority.
The Tories, who are seemingly right wing, have made so many tax breaks for the poorer in society that many pay no income tax at all now. They've also taxed the richer harder especially on dividend tax, which now the allowances are the bet part of sod all, is probably why the treasury ran such a sodding large surplus in January.
Labour seem to be moving a lot further hard left with the rise of Momentum and the control of the unions. It's leaving a large void of people who feel left out. The type who voted to leave the EU and are finding the top political parties from across the board are ignoring them and stitching them up.
I think there's a huge need for a right wing party, if one can setup without having it's reputation tarnished by the left. We all know what will happen. The left wing media will run smear campaign after smear campaign to try to discredit and right of centre party as soon as it forms. They're already at it with Farage's Brexit Party, which has now had to move it's registered office after the business there was targeted by militant yogurt weavers. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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