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King29
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PostPosted: 18:22 - 28 Feb 2019    Post subject: Directional arrow on tyre Reply with quote

A work friend took his bike for an mot. Mot bloke rang him at work as requested to report outcome and said he's failed it because directional arrow on tyre is going the wrong way?

Mot bloke wants £25 to take tyre off and put in on right way? does that sound legit or is mot place taking the mick? I wouldn't have thought it mattered and was there as a guide rather than YOU MUST DO THIS?

Can anyone clarify?
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PostPosted: 18:52 - 28 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's dangerous to ride on a tyre with the directional arrow the wrong way. This is because the tread on the tyre is directional, and moves water outwards to the edges of the tyre with the forward motion of the tyre. If the tyre is on backwards, the water is forced to the centre of the tyre, basically forcing an aquaplane.

£20 is the usual ride-in ride-out tyre fitting price, so it's not excessive. Why bitch about it? The tester has him bang to rights.

I'm actually surprised you'd even go to the effort of asking about it, because surely the tyre direction arrow is there for a reason, and that's fairly self evident? *shrugs*

TL:DR, he needs to get it swapped, and the MOT tester is right.
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PostPosted: 18:55 - 28 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fair enough, thanks for your help. I asked because I was not sure if it was an mot failure but your explanation make sense. Cheers.
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PostPosted: 19:04 - 28 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

King29 wrote:
Fair enough, thanks for your help. I asked because I was not sure if it was an mot failure but your explanation make sense. Cheers.


I think the words on the tyre usually say something like "direction of rotation mount this way only " or something...
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PostPosted: 19:24 - 28 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

this was the result of my last MOT

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Date tested 13 June 2018
Pass
Mileage 75,077 miles
MOT test number 3580 3094 9302
Test location
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Expiry date 13 June 2019
Monitor and repair if necessary (advisories):

Rear TYRE FITTED INCORRECTLY, DIRECTION ARROW WRONG WAY ROUND Dangerous

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So it wasn't a failure as of June 2018 but may have changed since then.
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PostPosted: 19:29 - 28 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

ColinK98 wrote:
this was the result of my last MOT

TYRE FITTED INCORRECTLY, DIRECTION ARROW WRONG WAY ROUND Dangerous.

So it wasn't a failure as of June 2018 but may have changed since then.


I'd say that's some pretty relaxed MOT'ing.
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PostPosted: 19:52 - 28 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:


I'd say that's some pretty relaxed MOT'ing.


Agreed. I wouldn't ride a bike with a mis-mounted tyre, just asking for trouble if there're any wet surfaces around.
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PostPosted: 19:56 - 28 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it's the front tyre and it has dual discs, maybe he's put the wheel on backwards?
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PostPosted: 20:50 - 28 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

There seems some ambiguity about whether it's a guaranteed fail as tyre patterns aren't always so directional, at least on other vehicles.
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PostPosted: 21:23 - 28 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

doggone wrote:
There seems some ambiguity about whether it's a guaranteed fail as tyre patterns aren't always so directional, at least on other vehicles.


When you tag an advisory with 'Dangerous' you'd think that it would be a fail?
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PostPosted: 11:44 - 02 Mar 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
doggone wrote:
There seems some ambiguity about whether it's a guaranteed fail as tyre patterns aren't always so directional, at least on other vehicles.


When you tag an advisory with 'Dangerous' you'd think that it would be a fail?


It should have, The rules on this one haven't changed for a while, the failure is actually for "A tyre not fitted in compliance with the manufacturer's sidewall instructions" this includes directional instructions and (on cars obvs) "outside" tirewall instructions.
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PostPosted: 12:00 - 02 Mar 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it not something to do with the drive as well. As in it's one way for a back tyre and the opposite if put on the front, or have I imagined this?
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PostPosted: 12:32 - 02 Mar 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Is it not something to do with the drive as well. As in it's one way for a back tyre and the opposite if put on the front, or have I imagined this?


If the tyres marked as "rear" then it falls within sidewall instructions and can't be used as a front. Bike tyres sometimes disperse water differently if they are front or rear specific .
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PostPosted: 13:34 - 02 Mar 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 21:56 - 02 Mar 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
It's dangerous to ride on a tyre with the directional arrow the wrong way.

Not entirely convinced by that - nor that the tread does THAT much on a lot of bike tyres in that manner. (Where's there's a much smaller contact patch compared to car tyres.)

Now - Avons, I'll agree they are dangerous to ride on!

Regardless; understandable it's an MOT failure.
I have heard of people just cutting off such markings. However a bit late now for that.
£25 seems really excessive to spin a tyre, but normal garages often seem to charge well over the odds for doing stuff with tyres.
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PostPosted: 11:14 - 03 Mar 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Is it not something to do with the drive as well. As in it's one way for a back tyre and the opposite if put on the front, or have I imagined this?


Rear tyres transmit forces in both directions, depending on whether the tyre is trying to speed up or slow down the vehicle.
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PostPosted: 14:36 - 03 Mar 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

The tread on the front tyre is opposite to the rear too, because when leant over the front tyre clears water to the outside of the turn, so it is not pushing in inwards to where the rear tyre is about to arrive.
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PostPosted: 15:01 - 03 Mar 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

weasley wrote:
The tread on the front tyre is opposite to the rear too, because when leant over the front tyre clears water to the outside of the turn, so it is not pushing in inwards to where the rear tyre is about to arrive.

Don't think that's why.
The rear tyre is driven and doesn't want to lose grip during acceleration, Front wheel is not driven and mainly doesn't want to lose grip during braking.
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PostPosted: 16:02 - 03 Mar 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:

Not entirely convinced by that - nor that the tread does THAT much on a lot of bike tyres in that manner. (Where's there's a much smaller contact patch compared to car tyres.)


Given you have less contact patch. Then tread design to clear water is even more important than on a cars, with the larger contact area and a extra 2 tyres....

All that is keeping you shinny side up is a couple of patches of rubber. Put anything between tyre and tarmac and the design of the tread is the most important thing as it is designed to clear that fluid, to sllow the rubber contact patch to do its job.
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PostPosted: 19:19 - 03 Mar 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

doggone wrote:
weasley wrote:
The tread on the front tyre is opposite to the rear too, because when leant over the front tyre clears water to the outside of the turn, so it is not pushing in inwards to where the rear tyre is about to arrive.

Don't think that's why.
The rear tyre is driven and doesn't want to lose grip during acceleration, Front wheel is not driven and mainly doesn't want to lose grip during braking.

Tread is about clearing water though, not for grip. For ultimate grip you have no tread on both tyres and have an optimum compound.
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PostPosted: 19:37 - 03 Mar 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tyres aside, I think the front wheels on both my bikes would fit either way but the ZX6R has an obvious directional arrow on one of the three spokes, and it is mentioned in the service manual. The R1 service manual makes no mention but I have found a subtle arrow on one spoke (3-spokes again) and the tyre fitter has matched it. I recall the ZX6R has a circlip on one side whereas the R1 bearing fitment is the same both sides, so the construction is different but they are both directional.

I guess this means the hub direction on at least these two bikes is important because the spokes are subtly designed to resist braking forces. Pjay's comment ("maybe he's put the wheel on backwards") might apply, although you'd expect the MOT guy to know. It could be that simple though.

Looking at drilling patterns I think some brake discs might also be directional.
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PostPosted: 21:37 - 03 Mar 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

More likely the bearing seats are at different offsets so fitting the wheel backwards would move it off the centre line.
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