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PostPosted: 14:54 - 08 Mar 2019    Post subject: Limited company vs sole trader status? Reply with quote

My accountant tells me I can save money overall by changing from sole trader to limited company status. I have no reason to doubt that, but I have two concerns about going down this road. First, the amount of extra admin involved and secondly, the fear of sticking my head above the parapet, raising a red flag to HMRC and ending up the subject of one of their investigations, the thought of which makes my blood run cold.

I have no employees/colleagues, and my work is desk-based with very few business-related expenses.

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PostPosted: 15:23 - 08 Mar 2019    Post subject: Re: Limited company vs sole trader status? Reply with quote

Freddyfruitbat wrote:
My accountant tells me I can save money overall by changing from sole trader to limited company status. I have no reason to doubt that, but I have two concerns about going down this road. First, the amount of extra admin involved and secondly, the fear of sticking my head above the parapet, raising a red flag to HMRC and ending up the subject of one of their investigations, the thought of which makes my blood run cold.

I have no employees/colleagues, and my work is desk-based with very few business-related expenses.

Anyone who's BTBTGTTS care to comment, please?


I would certainly sit and do the calculations first. I was a Sole Trader for years and also VAT registered and it worked out that I was better that way. My accountant always made sure I paid minimal taxes. Having to pay the extras for being Limited made no sense for me.
They have changed things now though as my national insurance was a pittance back then, now they have clamped down on that, so being an employee may well balance things out.
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PostPosted: 15:28 - 08 Mar 2019    Post subject: Re: Limited company vs sole trader status? Reply with quote

Pjay wrote:
I would certainly sit and do the calculations first.

Thanks, yeah, already did that with the accountant and it does make sense to go ahead purely on a financial basis; my issue with proceeding is the other factors involved which I mentioned
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PostPosted: 15:47 - 08 Mar 2019    Post subject: Re: Limited company vs sole trader status? Reply with quote

Freddyfruitbat wrote:
Pjay wrote:
I would certainly sit and do the calculations first.

Thanks, yeah, already did that with the accountant and it does make sense to go ahead purely on a financial basis; my issue with proceeding is the other factors involved which I mentioned


Well if you have been sailing close to the wind then yeah you might get looked at, but probably not. They have bigger fish to fry and would only be looking at you if things didnt balance. If you sudddenly start declaring loads of income, they might wonder how and why. Just keep it seamless and youd be ok.

They look for flags, dont give them any.
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PostPosted: 16:49 - 08 Mar 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was a Sole Trader for 3 years and Limited for 2 now.

I don't have much extra admin at all (I too am a one man band, have a studio and low overheads), as my accountant sorts all of that out for me.

The savings being Limited aren't as good as they used to be, so what's the reason you want to go Limited, to reduce your liabilities?

A sidenote, if you're looking at buying property in the near future then I'd stay as a Sole Trader as I got stitched up a bit in that sense and not being able to borrow as much as I thought due to the way my income is paid.
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PostPosted: 14:43 - 09 Mar 2019    Post subject: Re: Limited company vs sole trader status? Reply with quote

mpd72 CPT wrote:
I'd be interested to see your accountants workings on this, because I'd expect a sole trader to pay less.

Pretty sure he's correct; essentially my situation is that my business is now part-time and not my my sole income stream, which is what makes the difference; up till recently it definitely wouldn't have been worthwhile to go limited. What I need to work out for myself, and why I posted, is whether the financial gain is worthwhile versus my perceived disadvantages - ie the extra paperwork and the risk of triggering an HMRC investigation (not that I have misbehaved or got anything to hide at all...)
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PostPosted: 02:22 - 10 Mar 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would get some other accountants to provide a second, third or even fourth opinion.

A company I work with were advised to go ltd and it did end up as advantageous, because (as mentioned by mpd) it opened some business doors for them, but it took a few years of hefty accountancy fee increases and more onerous paperwork chores.

If your business is now part time and not providing your main income, I would question whether it's worth the hassle, unless it's a business that could lead you into some gigantic personal liabilities, if it all goes tits up.

Otherwise, it could just be a licence to print money for your accountant.
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PostPosted: 08:11 - 10 Mar 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Limited should be a lower tax bill if you do it right.
Salary up to personal tax allowance, and then dividends up to higher rate limit.
Salary = 0%
Dividends = 19% corp tax + 7.5% income tax.
Note, the first £2k of dividends aren't taxed at all either.

That's still cheaper than paying income tax + NI.

As to triggering an investigation, you're not doing anything wrong, don't worry about it.
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PostPosted: 23:46 - 10 Mar 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 CPT wrote:
Also don't forget that dividend tax is only 7.5% up until total earning (not just dividends) reach £34.5K, then it jumps up massively to 32.5%. On top of corporation tax, that makes it 51.5% tax from £34.5K income upwards, when PAYE can earn £46.3K to £150K and still only pay 40%.

How much NI are you paying as a sole trader in that income band?
The ltd company and dividend route becomes significantly more effective if you have a partner that is a lower earner (such as a stay at home mum, or just part time worker) as you make them a shareholder and pay dividends using their tax band up.
There are many scenarios where it is highly effective, and as the op's already had it confirmed as effective, my advice is to do it.
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