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 Posted: 15:56 - 19 Mar 2019  Post subject: Ohhh fuuuu.... Street Triple fuel pipe connector |
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So, went to replace the air filter on the Triple today...undo the tank bolts and lift up the tank. Bit of resistance that i think is the fuel pipe, so move that out of the way and try again..and...snapping sound.
There's a plastic elbow from the pump under the tank, connected to the fuel line. Bloody thing has snapped.
Where it snapped;
https://www.planetash.net/bcf/fuelelbow/1.jpg
The bit that goes into the fuel pipe;
https://www.planetash.net/bcf/fuelelbow/2.jpg
Holding it to where it should be;
https://www.planetash.net/bcf/fuelelbow/3.jpg
Called Hughenden and asked about a replacement, but to me it looks like it's part of the pump. Only 400 and something for a new pump... 
One of the guys is going to call back to see if there's a way of fixing it. I'm hoping that as it seems to be quite common, maybe there's a connector available that can just bolt on in place of it. Fingers crossed...
If not, anyone else had a similar issue and managed to fix it somehow?
Gutted as i'm off this week and was looking forward to lots of rideouts, working on a new baffle config, and was really looking forward to taking my daughter out for a spin as she's over for a rare visit from her uni in Germany. Fuck.
Stupid bloody design, i have to say. 
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Thanks, Pete.
The guy at Hughenden called back. It is part of the pump and no, they don't have any type of straightforward fix for it. I talked about fitting another elbow somehow but he strongly recommended i just buy a new (or used but not broken) one, as the pressure the fuel is under is a lot.
Found this on the ebay;
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Triumph-Street-Triple-675-2007-Fuel-Pump-Petrol-Gas-456/192855081138
so now i'm thinking do i shell out 70 quid and get it here by Friday, so i have at least 1 day i can go for a ride in me hols, or do i try and bodge it myself for a lot less and can ride sooner, but be constantly worried that it'll leak, start a fire and i lose the bike.
Hmm. Shee-it. Stupid bloody elbow..grrrrr.....
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Seems like Triumph didn't learn from their mistakes! Speed Fours were subject to a recall for Plastic fuel connectors cracking.
https://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/apps/recalls/searches/expand.asp?uniqueID=66429B462B7A4FA300256E8A00319879&freeText=Blank&tx=
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| Riejufixing wrote: | That's odd, I can't see any difference between the one in Pete's link and the one in mine. Do you think the numbers are different manufacturing versions? Anyway, you'll see when you get it. |
I'm not sure myself..i did read somewhere that certain ones don't have the Low Fuel warning, so maybe it's just that? Don't want to risk getting the wrong one though, or i'll be off the road for my entire time off and/or have to shell out for another one if it didn't fit. At least this way i should definitely be running again on thursday.
| Quote: | Perhaps you could tap into the end of the protuding pipe rather than cut the whole thing off? |
That's what i'm thinking. Then, if i cock that up, i can always try doing how Pete did it and tap into the base directly.
| chris-red wrote: | Seems like Triumph didn't learn from their mistakes! |
Haha..yeah..well, this is slightly different in that i broke it, rather than it just broke itself. But that said, having a sticky out bit of weak plastic that catches on the tank when you lift it up is a pretty daft way of doing it. It would have been simpler and safer to have a straight down vertical connection, or one that if it should break, isn't an irreplaceable part of the fuel pump!
| Pete wrote: | Bullshit. 47psi is standard. If you put that in your tyre you can easily stop the air leaking by putting your finger on the valve hole. |
To be fair, on reflection he did say he mentioned it to cover himself, just in case i ended up stuck on a 100mph ball of flame. And he was very helpful, even finding the part on ebay for me. 
| Quote: | I snapped the top off the injector cap on my BMW and repaired it in just the same way, ran a tap down the hole and ran a die down a barb. If you looked at my bike you'd see one plastic barb and one metal one. |
Ah, so...do you mean you didn't use an extra fixing, just modded the bits you had? It's just i was going to ask where to look for suitable types of fixings...
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Incidentally, while it was all off i noticed this connector going nowhere.
Is it original equipment for an add-on i don't have..or possibly where an alarm/mobiliser has been fitted before..? Kinda looks like a fuse holder or something too, perhaps.
https://www.planetash.net/bcf/fuelelbow/connector.jpg
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| Mr Hammers wrote: | Incidentally, while it was all off i noticed this connector going nowhere.
Is it original equipment for an add-on i don't have..or possibly where an alarm/mobiliser has been fitted before..? Kinda looks like a fuse holder or something too, perhaps.
https://www.planetash.net/bcf/fuelelbow/connector.jpg |
I don't know what it's for, but I can tell you that's not a fuse holder, it's one half of an electrical connector, the bent wire is a spring clip that holds the two halves together.
Normally, the other half would be solidly mounted, not on a tail, so I would be looking for some sort of component that is missing some wiring.
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| Pete. wrote: | You have a lathe, find a bit of brass and knock one up. |
Have plenty of brass, the thing i'm desperately short of is expertise But yes, that's what i need to do i think. Plan is to fix the original, and fix it so i don't need to worry everytime i need to pull up the tank, and put the 'new' one back on t'ebay.
| Sister Sledge. wrote: | but I will say that's an incredibly bad design on the connector. |
Yup, don't know why they thought that was a good idea. Wouldn't be so bad if the elbow wasn't part of the pump and you could just buy a new elbow and fit it if you do break it. Luckily everything else on it seems to be designed really well Oh, except for a tiny hook thing on the pump itself that makes it really difficult to get the pump out of the tank. It doesn't appear to have any purpose, other than making life more difficult than it needs to be.
| Stinkwheel wrote: | Cut the last 2 or 3mm off the stump. Congratulations, you now have a straight hose-tail. fit a bit of thick fuel hose to it with a jubilee clip. |
The only minor issue is that the fuel pipe isn't very flexible at all at that end, and i'm not sure there's much room in there to accommodate a vertical connection (have to see next time i take the tank off). Not that it wouldn't work of course, but an elbow would mean the existing pipe wouldn't be under any stress.
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| Riejufixing wrote: | How big is it? The internal diameter of the piece of white plastic "pipe" sticking out of the base, I mean. |
Bit late now, i guess, but think it's a 4-5 ml hole.
Anyway. Tis' all done now. The original plan was to use the following..
https://www.planetash.net/bcf/fuelelbow/1a.jpg
I was going to turn down some of the white plastic bar into a sleeve to fit the fuel pipe end connector, and as the brass elbow is 10ml, shave a couple of mil off the fuel stub too. Made a cap out of some solid steel bar, and then cut teeth at the end, and then maybe weld an arbour on the other for a drill to attach. (Didn't have a 12ml ID hole cutter)
But, after shaving the stub to 10ml a little bit, i was concerned that it might make the stub too weak. Quite a difference between 12 and 10. So, instead i cut the diy teeth off the diy holecutter/cap, drilled a hole at the top of it, and welded on a short length of 6ml SS tube. Resulting in this...
https://www.planetash.net/bcf/fuelelbow/2a.jpg
You can tell i was wearing my glasses when welding the tube on, and not when welding to the washer... Still, the washer is only there as a little insurance, so i didn't worry about it too much.
Here you can see the stub ready for the cap, and how the original male connector bit looks. I wanted to use the original male connection rather than try and make one, as well as giving it a bit of wiggle room for the future by using a short length of fuel pipe.
https://www.planetash.net/bcf/fuelelbow/3a.jpg
Here's how it looks, now epoxied, and compared to the standard one. However, those with an eagle eye will see the mistake i've made at this point...
https://www.planetash.net/bcf/fuelelbow/4a.jpg
While i was at it, thought i'd better change the plugs..something i've been avoiding for a while as it looked a bit of a tricky job. It was a bit tricky, but not as bad as i thought.
https://www.planetash.net/bcf/fuelelbow/5a.jpg
Here's the old plugs. Don't look too bad, bit lean if anything i think, but no concerns really. Made a big difference though, engine feels noticeably crisper now.
https://www.planetash.net/bcf/fuelelbow/6a.jpg
The other problem i've had since changing the fuel pump last time is the tank vacuuming, that horrible thing when you open up the fuel cap and there's air rushing in and the sides of the tank pop out again. Gave both lines a blast with the compressor, and one of them made a popping sound, after which the air flowed freely. I've either dislodged some crap in the line, or broken something...but it all runs sweetly and no vacuum anymore so it must've worked.  
https://www.planetash.net/bcf/fuelelbow/7a.jpg
Here's the pump back in the tank, and those who spotted the fact that i hadn't cut enough off the base washer to clear the ally flange/holding ring/whateveritscalled will see that i ended up having to cut the flange to fit the washer. I had meant to cut that bit off, but only remembered as i pressed the now-epoxied cap onto the pump. If my dremel was working i'd have cut the slice off in situ, and levered it off so i didn't need to cut the ring, but the dremel gave up the ghost for some reason and didn't want to chance it with the big drill.
https://www.planetash.net/bcf/fuelelbow/8a.jpg
Annoyed at myself for forgetting to do the cut before i fixed it onto the stub tbh, but the important thing it's all good and working, so i can bear a bit of unseen untidyness in this case.
Try snapping off now, y'bastard! 
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| Mr Hammers wrote: | | Riejufixing wrote: | How big is it? The internal diameter of the piece of white plastic "pipe" sticking out of the base, I mean. |
Bit late now, i guess, but think it's a 4-5 ml hole.
Anyway. Tis' all done now. The original plan was to use the following..
https://www.planetash.net/bcf/fuelelbow/1a.jpg
I was going to turn down some of the white plastic bar into a sleeve to fit the fuel pipe end connector, and as the brass elbow is 10ml, shave a couple of mil off the fuel stub too. Made a cap out of some solid steel bar, and then cut teeth at the end, and then maybe weld an arbour on the other for a drill to attach. (Didn't have a 12ml ID hole cutter)
But, after shaving the stub to 10ml a little bit, i was concerned that it might make the stub too weak. Quite a difference between 12 and 10. So, instead i cut the diy teeth off the diy holecutter/cap, drilled a hole at the top of it, and welded on a short length of 6ml SS tube. Resulting in this...
https://www.planetash.net/bcf/fuelelbow/2a.jpg
You can tell i was wearing my glasses when welding the tube on, and not when welding to the washer... Still, the washer is only there as a little insurance, so i didn't worry about it too much.
Here you can see the stub ready for the cap, and how the original male connector bit looks. I wanted to use the original male connection rather than try and make one, as well as giving it a bit of wiggle room for the future by using a short length of fuel pipe.
https://www.planetash.net/bcf/fuelelbow/3a.jpg
Here's how it looks, now epoxied, and compared to the standard one. However, those with an eagle eye will see the mistake i've made at this point...
https://www.planetash.net/bcf/fuelelbow/4a.jpg
While i was at it, thought i'd better change the plugs..something i've been avoiding for a while as it looked a bit of a tricky job. It was a bit tricky, but not as bad as i thought.
https://www.planetash.net/bcf/fuelelbow/5a.jpg
Here's the old plugs. Don't look too bad, bit lean if anything i think, but no concerns really. Made a big difference though, engine feels noticeably crisper now.
https://www.planetash.net/bcf/fuelelbow/6a.jpg
The other problem i've had since changing the fuel pump last time is the tank vacuuming, that horrible thing when you open up the fuel cap and there's air rushing in and the sides of the tank pop out again. Gave both lines a blast with the compressor, and one of them made a popping sound, after which the air flowed freely. I've either dislodged some crap in the line, or broken something...but it all runs sweetly and no vacuum anymore so it must've worked.
https://www.planetash.net/bcf/fuelelbow/7a.jpg
Here's the pump back in the tank, and those who spotted the fact that i hadn't cut enough off the base washer to clear the ally flange/holding ring/whateveritscalled will see that i ended up having to cut the flange to fit the washer. I had meant to cut that bit off, but only remembered as i pressed the now-epoxied cap onto the pump. If my dremel was working i'd have cut the slice off in situ, and levered it off so i didn't need to cut the ring, but the dremel gave up the ghost for some reason and didn't want to chance it with the big drill.
https://www.planetash.net/bcf/fuelelbow/8a.jpg
Annoyed at myself for forgetting to do the cut before i fixed it onto the stub tbh, but the important thing it's all good and working, so i can bear a bit of unseen untidyness in this case.
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