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| Riejufixing wrote: | , the Withdrawal Agreement does contain the bones of the FTA, and they hope to get that done in a year, so some works has been done. |
On what fantasy planet is this? It contains nothing of the sort. There is nothing agreed about our future relationship with the EU. We have to pay £39BN up front for them to even think about talking about letting us leave and how we leave. The idea is that by the end of this agreement, they've agreed to let us leave and our future relationship has been agreed. If not, they tie us in and we have to start paying again, even though we've already coughed up £39BN for nothing.
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| Shaft wrote: |
At last, a breakthrough, you've finally seen the light!
The WA does not mean we fully and legally leave the EU, it means we enter into a transition period, the ending of which is governed by the EU, which means it may never end, because that's what they want. |
He's also wrong about us not paying them if no agreement is met after the initial withdrawal period. They've written in that they can start milking us again after 2 years and £39BN already handed over.
This deal is unbelievable. It's a way for the EU to rape us for a large amount of cash, relying purely on their good will to let us go in a couple of years with some sort of future relationship, which they're not legally bound to offer or agree. After which they carry on charging us. We just become a cash cow under their control with no say.
What they've basically done is taken ultimate control over one of it's states who was threatening to leave, giving them more power to stop us leaving. May is either the weakest negotiator known to humankind, or this has been her plan all along.
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| Diggs wrote: | So, this morning's change is that we have been offered a stay of execution until 22nd May if MPs vote for TM's deal. If they don't, the deadline becomes 12th April, by which point we have to decide whether we leave with no deal or extend the period for an as yet defined longer period.
Is it just me, or does that mean absolutely nothing? |
More to the point, why would we need more time to prepare for May and the EU's turn of an agreement? Nothing changes under it, so why do we need until May 22nd if they vote for it, but only 2 weeks if we want to cancel Brexit or go WTO?
It's quite clear what May and the EU are concocting for their final stage of "Hotel California". I bet Farage is popping to George at Adsa for a new suit today.
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| mpd72 CPT wrote: | [EU] has no trade deals with any of the worlds top economies |
What if the opposite is true?
Out of 20 top economies, EU trades freely with 5 (Japan, South Korea, Mexico, Turkey, Switzerland), Canada deal is being ratified, and 4 are already in EU (5 including UK). That's 9/20, soon to be 10.
We are losing it all in no deal Brexit, and gain nothing, for there are no deals ready that we don't already enjoy as EU member.
*Edit: forgot Mexico.
*Edit: forgot South Korea.
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| rpsmith79 wrote: | | mpd72 CPT wrote: |
That's a matter of opinion and one I disagree with. Any short term friction and adjustment would soon bear fruit IMO.
Out trade is moving away from the EU whether we like it or not. The EU does not suit countries who want to trade their majority globally rather than keeping it within the bloc. It has no trade deals with any of the worlds top economies for good reason. It doesn't ant the competition. |
But that is the problem, it doesn't matter what you (or me, or anyone else for that matter) agree with, it the MP's making the decision, and they categorically do not want a No-Deal Brexit, just as much as they don't want the WA |
But this is the problem. MP's are supposed to server their constituents and the clear majority of constituencies voted to "Leave the EU", not partially leave, not kick the can down the road, not have anotnher shot at the vote, not sign up to an agreement which could tie us in forever. We were told this decision would be implemented and told that leaving the Eu would involve leaving the single market.
| Quote: | while the national result of the referendum was relatively close, with 52% voting Leave and 48% voting Remain, a much larger majority of parliamentary seats voted to Leave – with 64% of seats in Great Britain voting Leave. |
64% of MP's should be working and voting for a proper Leave.
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| cdlxxvi wrote: |
(Japan, Mexico Turkey, Switzerland), Canada deal is being ratified, and 4 are already in EU (5 including UK). That's 8/20, soon to be 9.
We are losing it all in no deal Brexit, and gain nothing, for there are no deals ready that we don't already enjoy as EU member.
*Edit: forgot Mexico. |
Japan, only partly ratified and clearly rushed through to try to influence Brexit - think UK car production.
Mexico? I said top economies, not 15th.
Turkey? Wow, 19th.
Switzerland - wow, 20th.
Canada - no deal yet.
UK - hopefully losing this one.
How about the RoW's real top econimies?
US, China, India, Brazil, Russia? Nope. But we can setup deals with these once out of the EU and it will be a damn site easier getting one through which benefits the UK when there aren't 28 squabbling countries on one side of the deal.
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| rpsmith79 wrote: | | mpd72 CPT wrote: |
But this is the problem. MP's are supposed to server their constituents and the clear majority of constituencies voted to "Leave the EU", not partially leave, not kick the can down the road, not have anotnher shot at the vote, not sign up to an agreement which could tie us in forever. We were told this decision would be implemented and told that leaving the Eu would involve leaving the single market.
| Quote: | while the national result of the referendum was relatively close, with 52% voting Leave and 48% voting Remain, a much larger majority of parliamentary seats voted to Leave – with 64% of seats in Great Britain voting Leave. |
64% of MP's should be working and voting for a proper Leave. |
But that doesn't work when the MP's got whipped to vote in a specific way, it's either vote with the whip, or against it and resign your position as MP, then they have no further say in proceedings.......... it's lose lose |
It's the same argument. The parties are supposed to represent their voters, not their own personal opinion.
Guess what the voters said?
| Quote: | around 75% of constituencies that were won by the Conservatives in the 2017 general election voted to Leave, while around 61% of Labour constituencies voted to Leave. All seats won by the Scottish National Party and the Green Party, and a majority of the seats won by the Liberal Democrats and Plaid Cymru, voted to Remain. |
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More cheating from the minority. I wonder if Miller, Blair etc are behind this one, or just a bunch of bitter remainers?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-36640459
Kind of pointless really because I can't remember one single Government Petition actually having any affect. It's just a way for the proles to let off steam and think they get a slight say in things, much like the silly "Cone Hotline" in the good old days, where people could phone up to whine about being stuck in traffic.
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| mpd72 CPT wrote: |
It's the same argument. The parties are supposed to represent their voters, not their own personal opinion.
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Yes it is the same argument, the point i was trying to make was, if the majority of Conservative MP's vote against the whip, and vote for No-Deal, then all quit/get fired as they opposed the whip, will then be replaced by MP's who were not voted in buy their constituents, and may not have voted for No-Deal, you could end up with a Government of unelected cretins without even the will of the people behind them, or mass local elections, right when we need to be concentrating on sorting out this shit storm
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| rpsmith79 wrote: | | mpd72 CPT wrote: |
It's the same argument. The parties are supposed to represent their voters, not their own personal opinion.
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Yes it is the same argument, the point i was trying to make was, if the majority of Conservative MP's vote against the whip, and vote for No-Deal, then all quit/get fired as they opposed the whip, will then be replaced by MP's who were not voted in buy their constituents, and may not have voted for No-Deal, you could end up with a Government of unelected cretins without even the will of the people behind them, or mass local elections, right when we need to be concentrating on sorting out this shit storm |
Could it be any worse? When you're at rock bottom with parliament siding with the EU against their own people, I really don't think so.
The biggest improvement to parliament as it stands would involve resurrecting Guy Falkes.
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Wrong and wrong.
There's no evidence that we will have a better relationship with any significant country after hard Brexit. |
You have no proof that we won't. We have zero free trade relationships under EU rule with the countries we mainly export to. Why not for once, show just anything factual to back uop your guesswork about how the future pans out?
| cdlxxvi wrote: | On the contrary, we will lose our existing relationship with EU 27, and many other. |
Really? The EU27 want to lose easy access to the single largest market in Europe and the worlds 5th largest economy do they? What planet would this be a reality on "Planet Project Fear"?
| cdlxxvi wrote: | EU doesn't "refuse to deal with" any country; it merely doesn't trade with everyone frictionlessly. |
It simply makes sure the deal never finished the negotiating stage like the US relationship. Let's look at the biggies here. All "stalled", US, India..
| Quote: | Gulf Cooperation Council (Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and United Arab Emirates) since 1990, negotiations are suspended since 2008
Mercosur (Argentina, Brazil, Paraguay, Uruguay, and Venezuela) since 2000, relaunched in May 2010
India Negotiations initiated in 2007 on EU-India Bilateral Trade and Investment Agreement are stalled as of March 2015 due to different levels of ambition for a future deal.[73][74][75]
ASEAN as a group since July 2007 and the following individual countries[76]:
Indonesia since September 2016
Malaysia since October 2010, suspended since April 2012 due to different levels of ambition for a future deal
Thailand since March 2013, suspended since May 2014 due to the military "takeover"
Philippines since December 2015, on hold since February 2017
Deep and Comprehensive Free Trade Area negotiations:
Morocco since March 2013, suspended since April 2014 due to an ongoing impact assessment by Morocco
Tunisia since October 2015
Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) (United States–EU relations) since July 2013
Australia since June 2018[77]
New Zealand since June 2018[78]
European Union Association Agreements negotiations with Andorra, Monaco and San Marino since 2016
Pacific EPA Accession negotiations with Tonga since 2018 |
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