Electric Bikes

[Jmoan]

The problem with electric cars and bikes is the battery status. How many recharges before the battery starts failing, how will it fail and the cost to replace it? What state is it in when buying second hand?

[stevo as b4]

I really have to agree with Robby on this stuff.

How many of the people that bemoan about range, and charge rates and infrastructure are going to be crippled by these hands round their neck if they buy an EV? It's almost like they are using the what if I wanna spontaneously go and do X as an argument to justify that EV's are all crap and useless? We can all pull the fantasy what if scenarios out of a hat to justify electric vehicle rage/prejudice. If the same person only uses their 50cc/125cc/650cc etc to trudge to work and back and throw it in the shed after because they don't do leisure biking or are so fucked off with Monday-Friday commutes that they don't go near the roads at the weekend, then it doesn't matter a shit.

Its like me saying I need a 180bhp Suzuki Hayabusa because I really might want to have the option of express 160mph two up touring in France and yet not having a passport or having never ridden further than the local Cafe etc.

As I said, most people that ride bikes and BCF'ers will be daily hacking to work commuter types, or pure shits and giggles weekend toy riders. There's very few that do both, and throw in a couple of round the UK and Europe touring trips every year. As Robby said a two wheeled vehicle does not have to be capable of everything and all the fantasy what if scenarios.

Oh and people going on about charge cycles, and batteries going down the pan after a few years making the vehicles worthless and un-fixable/fit for scrap, well they might just be talking bollocks to a degree.

Car mechanics magazine has recently done an article on buying a first gen EV (car) and they found a 9year old Nissan Leaf with 126'000m on the clock. When the battery capacity was tested they found that it still had 80% of its new charge capacity. Whats more they said it's only really accident damage that'll likely end first gen EV's lives, as there's so little to go wrong mechanically, and apparently the battery packs can be taken apart and cells replaced to re-condition them to as new, like you would an ICE.

Its best for people to have the balls to come out and say "I don't want a gay EV because I'm a die hard petrol head" instead of coming out with very weak arguments against an EV and why it possibly might in some imagined up scenario fall short of their needs.

[MarJay]

[stevo as b4]

^ This x1000.

Who does commutes, touring, track days, and sunny Sunday hooning all on the same bike generally? It's a tiny minority IMO.

But Robby mentioned range anxiety in the context of EV's, and I suppose this is just another thing for young people and life's anxious worrier's to get all worked up about. It'll be the same people that have to fill up their fuel tank at 1/2full as they might otherwise get low on fuel and have a panic attack.

[MarJay]

[Shaft]

[ThatDippyTwat]

[Polarbear]

[linuxyeti]

Perhaps not so much for the 50cc, at 4K, however alot of the 50cc equivalent bikes are at around 2k. Plus, given the fact, for those of a certain age, you can ride a 50cc on a full car license, not have to worry about multiple cbt's or doing the mod1, mod 2 & theory, I can see the appeal.

As for 125 equivalent, then, for pretty the same price of a Jap 125, you can get the Super Soco TC Max ...

62 mph, 60 mile range, makes it a very good 125 alternative.
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[Polarbear]

Then why don't they sell? Genuine question.

OK, I think they have a long way to go before I'd ever buy one, but as a commuter there are definite plusses. But they still don't sell.
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[MahatmaAndhi]

[Kawasaki Jimbo]

The noisiest bikes round my way are 4-stroke 125s fitted with an end can and ridden by youths. I'm not sure even they'd get off on an electric bike.

[Suntan Sid]

[Easy-X]

I got fecked by the "buy diesel"

Electric is simple:

Only need 50 mile range at most? Have no money? You could go illegal and commute at 30+ mph... bonus immorality: charge bike at work and save even more!

Need more than 50 miles? Want something legal? Prepare sell your first born child. Prepare to sell second born child after 3 years for new batteries.

Given the power to weight ratio electric motorbikes should be viable for low to medium ranges.

I mean look at what the Chinese are churning out now:

https://i.imgur.com/ljWmnTU.png

or

https://i.imgur.com/qJc1heE.jpg

and this is only the beginning!
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[Polarbear]

That bottom one looks like something that you would get in a Lego box
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[linuxyeti]

[Easy-X]

£1900... wow... that's not bad at all. Those ones I posted are £3500 to £4500
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[MahatmaAndhi]

[Polarbear]

[Shaft]