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ThunderGuts
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PostPosted: 09:17 - 02 Apr 2019    Post subject: Any climbers on here: security Reply with quote

Morning all

The outdoor climbing season is approaching and I have to admit it's rather appealing to ride out on a glorious sunny evening into the Peak District after work, beating the traffic and up to a crag to meet my climbing buddies, particularly as they would have the gear so I'd just need to carry a helmet and harness.

The question though is security; virtually no climbing crags have a car park next to them, generally it's anything from 100 yards to a mile to walk to the venue. The parking is generally a layby and typically rural so with grass banks/stone walls, so nothing to lock a bike to.

What do we reckon? The best I could do is to disc-lock and chain the bike to itself. It's pretty rural and the roads are hilly so I'd imagine that the "pushing with a scooter" approach would be out for would-be thieves, although I imagine it isn't particularly hard to hotwire a 13 year old ER5 either. Many of these climbing areas are hotspots for car thefts, but this theft from vehicles not theft of the vehicles.

FWIW, I've never seen motorcycles parked up there . . . probably because a full climbing rack is awkward to carry on a bike (bulky and heavy) but maybe it's telling.

Is the concept a pipe dream, or am I worrying about nothing?
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PostPosted: 09:21 - 02 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've seen screw in ground anchors that are designed for people who go camping , show bikes etc.

To those with the right tools, it's not going to stop them, but it might be enough an inconvenience to chancers.
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PostPosted: 09:39 - 02 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

LustyLew wrote:
I've seen screw in ground anchors that are designed for people who go camping , show bikes etc.

To those with the right tools, it's not going to stop them, but it might be enough an inconvenience to chancers.


That's an interesting idea, although I can imagine in some places there isn't much earth before hitting rocks (certainly if camping experience in the Peak District is anything to go by; getting a 6" tent peg into the ground can be a challenge!).

This is the only thing I can find online, although it isn't motorcycle specific (but if the angle grinders come out I think it's fairly irrelevant anyway)

https://leachs.net/hurricane-scaffold-ground-anchor?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIxru1w_2w4QIVS7vtCh2HXwcSEAQYBCABEgIYf_D_BwE
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PostPosted: 09:51 - 02 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chain to your friends car. Tow points are good for this.
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PostPosted: 10:20 - 02 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
Chain to your friends car. Tow points are good for this.


That's a good idea actually, assuming I can get my bike near it! The popularity of these crags is often such that cars are nose-to-tail but it might be possible Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:29 - 02 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you're worrying too much. As you said bike are not normally in these parts, so the 'haul it into a van' brigade are unlikely to be operating there. They like repeat sightings I believe.

In all likelihood it's only going to be unattended for a a couple of hours, right? Or look for a sturdy tree..
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PostPosted: 12:36 - 02 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
Chain to your friends car. Tow points are good for this.


Or if you can't access the tow point, get them to park on the loose loop of the chain.
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PostPosted: 12:54 - 02 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fix chain through an alloy wheel or wishbone and park to the side of them if nose to tail parking is an issue.
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PostPosted: 13:12 - 02 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

A100man wrote:
I think you're worrying too much. As you said bike are not normally in these parts, so the 'haul it into a van' brigade are unlikely to be operating there. They like repeat sightings I believe.

In all likelihood it's only going to be unattended for a a couple of hours, right? Or look for a sturdy tree..

This, you could probably leave the keys in nine times out of ten. Steering lock would do for me.
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PostPosted: 13:20 - 02 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks all, feeling re-assured! Some good suggestions.

Appreciate the input Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:23 - 02 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

doggone wrote:
A100man wrote:
I think you're worrying too much. As you said bike are not normally in these parts, so the 'haul it into a van' brigade are unlikely to be operating there. They like repeat sightings I believe.

In all likelihood it's only going to be unattended for a a couple of hours, right? Or look for a sturdy tree..

This, you could probably leave the keys in nine times out of ten. Steering lock would do for me.


I use a disc lock when I park up for walks in the Lake District, cable-lock my bike kit to the bike. As long as you're a good distance from major towns, I don't think bike thieves are much of an issue in such areas.
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PostPosted: 13:33 - 02 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought the 'real' climbers went out in the winter to gain advantage of ice cover for access to overhangs and cetera.
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PostPosted: 13:44 - 02 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:
I thought the 'real' climbers went out in the winter to gain advantage of ice cover for access to overhangs and cetera.


Peak District is a well known climbing mecca. Top gritstone climbing or some such? Many top British climbers of the past have cut their climbing teeth there, among other spots.
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PostPosted: 17:57 - 02 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ride the bike to the crag??
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PostPosted: 20:46 - 02 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not a climber, but I'm often underground or camping up the tops, so similar parking/security considerations.

I scout the locations beforehand. I look out for chunky posts, fencing etc I can secure to. Disc lock weighs nothing in addition. Chances are there's only going to be random opportunists after gear, they won't be equipped to take your bike.
I've left keys in the ignition and they've been there when I got back after 8hrs underground, which is when I realised I had done it.
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PostPosted: 21:50 - 02 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, er5 wont interest anyone, far more worried about dog poo being thrown down from the top!

I am struggling with luggage. 40L box will just about fit my shoes, harness, rope, draws and other essential shit. I need to double my space with soft luggage so I can take tent/sleeping bag and other camping stuff.
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PostPosted: 03:45 - 03 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sister Sledge wrote:
Ride the bike to the crag??


I lol'd.
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PostPosted: 08:23 - 03 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:
I thought the 'real' climbers went out in the winter to gain advantage of ice cover for access to overhangs and cetera.


I do . . . I'd be doing very well to get the clobber needed for that on any motorcycle though; when two of us go winter climbing it fills the boot of my Forester and weighs about 100kg!

kramdra wrote:
I am struggling with luggage. 40L box will just about fit my shoes, harness, rope, draws and other essential shit. I need to double my space with soft luggage so I can take tent/sleeping bag and other camping stuff.


Yeah I can imagine; I reckon I can wear lightweight shorts under my biking trousers so no need to carry a change, plus fitting boots, harness, belay device, screwgate and lid into my luggage should be just about possible (I manage in winter going to the climbing wall, it's just the lid that's extra and although bulky it's very light so I reckon I can strap it to the outside). I'll let the car drivers take the rope and rack


chickenstrip wrote:
Peak District is a well known climbing mecca. Top gritstone climbing or some such? Many top British climbers of the past have cut their climbing teeth there, among other spots.


It certainly is; some fantastic grit but don't forget the limestone of the white peak either, some great routes there too. Massive density of climbing venues in a relatively small area and I'm fortunate that most of them are less than 45 minutes ride from my house.
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PostPosted: 10:03 - 03 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

As you are meeting mates, cant you chain it to one of their towing loops or even through and around 1 spoke on an alloy wheel, normally on the rear they are a loop, not screw in, like on most modern cars fronts.
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PostPosted: 12:44 - 03 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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chickenstrip wrote:
Peak District is a well known climbing mecca. Top gritstone climbing or some such? Many top British climbers of the past have cut their climbing teeth there, among other spots.


It certainly is; some fantastic grit but don't forget the limestone of the white peak either, some great routes there too. Massive density of climbing venues in a relatively small area and I'm fortunate that most of them are less than 45 minutes ride from my house.


Sorry, you're just talking to an armchair climber/mountaineer here Rolling Eyes
Will be a climber in the next life, perhaps - definitely something I missed out on Smile
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PostPosted: 13:16 - 03 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
Sorry, you're just talking to an armchair climber/mountaineer here Rolling Eyes
Will be a climber in the next life, perhaps - definitely something I missed out on Smile


To be fair, most of the climbing venues are also scenic spots too so they're often worth even just a wander around. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 18:40 - 03 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 00:40 - 04 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

if you cant get close enough to your mates cars to lock to, if they are good mates, they might take a barrel of concrete type ground anchor up for you, then you just lug it across to your bike?

I've parked up at wrynose and hardknott passes and gone for a wander for a few hours a couple of time, with my bike just locked front wheel round forks, but tbh I was a bit nervy about it all the same
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PostPosted: 01:36 - 04 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

thx1138 wrote:



I've parked up at wrynose and hardknott passes and gone for a wander for a few hours a couple of time, with my bike just locked front wheel round forks, but tbh I was a bit nervy about it all the same


I don't think you need to be. I really don't think these places are frequented by bike thieves, and it's not as if your parking habits will be regular - wouldn't be worth their while going up there on the off-chance. More likely to suffer from vandalism, and even that is a remote risk I think. Parking on the main roads might be another matter.

Lake District crime tends to be more about breaking into cars for valuables and stealing from camp sites. I imagine it would be similar in the Peak District.
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PostPosted: 02:19 - 04 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThunderGuts wrote:
I'll let the car drivers take the rope and rack

Your can stash your bike kit in their car rather than having to cram it all into a top box?
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