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Posted: 14:35 - 06 Apr 2019 Post subject: SORN F*ck-up |
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OK so went yo tax my bike today.. And the web-site comes up with this message..
Your vehicle will be taxed from 01 April 2019 This vehicle's previous tax/SORN expired on: 01 February 2019. This means the vehicle has not been taxed since this date.
You can apply for vehicle tax from today's date, with a tax start date of the first of this month, however, please note that it is an offence to be the registered keeper of a vehicle that is untaxed and does not have SORN in force. DVLA's enforcement section may be in contact with you regarding this gap in tax.
Seems like I overlooked a SORN notice or summat although I don't recall that
So do I ignore message and go form today's date or back date to 1st Feb.
Bike hasn't turned a wheel since October - fair weather guy see. ____________________ Now: A100, GT250A, XJ598, FZ750
Then: Fizz, RS200, KL250, XJ550, Laverda Alpina, XJ600, FZS600 |
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Posted: 14:46 - 06 Apr 2019 Post subject: |
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as you were..
I see there is no back date option. Just throw yourself to the mercy of DVLA.. ____________________ Now: A100, GT250A, XJ598, FZ750
Then: Fizz, RS200, KL250, XJ550, Laverda Alpina, XJ600, FZS600 |
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Posted: 17:08 - 06 Apr 2019 Post subject: |
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Sorry, forgot to say.
I've had one of my bikes on SORN for over three years never heard a dickie bird from the DVLA.
If you SORN'd it online you'll have proof of when it was SORN'd, assuming you haven't changed the ownership details, you have proof that the SORN status hasn't changed! ____________________ "Everybody needs money, that's why they call it money!" |
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Posted: 18:33 - 06 Apr 2019 Post subject: |
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A google search for "does sorn expire" confirms it doesn't so what's going on.
Surely not a Government department making a *mistake* |
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Posted: 19:20 - 06 Apr 2019 Post subject: |
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Ste wrote: | OP isn't saying that their SORN expired.
OP is saying that they forgot to SORN their bike when the tax expired at the start of February. |
Correct...
Not sure I need to be taught any lesson. Sometimes things get overlooked among the general melee of life. It would be rather galling to receive a fine for forgetfulness when there are nasty little toads on crossers wheelying down the high street, no helmets etc..
Nevertheless I will dutifully cough up as required. ____________________ Now: A100, GT250A, XJ598, FZ750
Then: Fizz, RS200, KL250, XJ550, Laverda Alpina, XJ600, FZS600 |
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Posted: 19:53 - 06 Apr 2019 Post subject: |
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Wait 6 months from the 29th of March (the last date it was untaxed). If you hear nothing by then, the problem has gone away. If they try anything on after that date, they can effectively go whistle because the case cannot legally be heard in a magistrates court if you turn up on the day and specifically object to that happening -quoting the magistrates court act- before answering charges.
This will not stop them attemting to chase you for a £100 "out of court settlement" via a debt collection agency whenever funds appear short but given that you did not agree to settle out of court, it holds no water, no contract exists and thhey have no legal basis to enforce it.
I should note that when I got prosecuted for failure to SORN, they had me in court 3 days before the 6 months was up. They have actually tried to re-run that one again, I got a notice of failure to SORN through the post later last year. As it happens, I haven't actually filled in a SORN declaration for that bike. However I did make a sworn declaration on public record before three magistrates and in front of a legal representative of the DVLA that the vehicle in question was not currently on the road. So as far as I'm concerned, I SORNed it then. And can provide the highest possible standard of proof that I did so. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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Hang on. Is back-dating the payment an option? I'd suggest that if they take the money, you're effectively off the hook. Or could make a bloody good argument for it in any case. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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Posted: 01:23 - 07 Apr 2019 Post subject: Re: SORN F*ck-up |
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Suntan Sid wrote: | DVLA wrote: | This vehicle's previous tax/SORN expired on: 01 February 2019. This means the vehicle has not been taxed since this date. |
SORN does not simply expire!
Your bike remains SORN'd until you tax it again, or you inform them of a change of ownership.
I'd take a guess that the SORN status of the vehicle could have changed if you've informed the DVLA of any changes to the bike ie a change of engine number.
I'm not saying that, that is how it should work, as I said SORN should only expire when it's taxed or there is a change of ownership!
I'd be questioning them about how or why the SORN status has changed. |
SORN no longer expires, but when tax does, you must SORN it. I can only guess the tax expired and it wasn’t SORN’d. It says “tax/SORN” expired, not “SORN”.
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HardlyDavidson wrote: | The letter of the law gives them the right to fine you for having an untaxed vehicle. Whether it's physically on the road or not is neither here nor there. Kinda like the BBC expect you to have a TV licence but they don't much care whether you actually have a TV. |
Only a duly appointed court of law has the ability to levvy a fine on a UK citizen. No court = no fine. The letter of the law gives them the right to bring a prosecution before a court. It is the courts decision to apply a fine. That fundamental right dates back to the bill of rights/magna carta.
I have been taken to court for failure to SORN. The DVLA prosecutor took me aside minutes before the case and said "If you pay me the £100 now, we'll let the matter drop.". I said "Correct me if I'm wrong, but if I am fined by the court, the money goes into central funds and NOT to the DVLA?" She answered "Yes.". I answered "I'll see you in court.".
Capita plc, a commercial entity, who run the DVLA (and TV licencing), most certainly do not have any legal right to destrain a citizen.
You seem to have some funny ideas about TV licences too. You only need a TV licence if you watch TV as it is being broadcast. Not to OWN a TV. Nor to use said TV for anything at all other than watching broadcast TV. The only way you can be fined for not having a TV licence is if a prosecutor presents evidence to a court proving beyond reasonable doubt you have watched broadcast television at that address. So pretty much exclusively that you are witnessed watching TV without a licence or you admit to watching TV without a licence. It's a criminal offence so there is a high standard of proof AND a right to trial by jury.
For example. I haven't purchased a TV licence for the last 15 years. I have received many, many pseudo-threatening letters. A nice man representing TV licencing has even knocked on my door and been summarily instructed to get off my land before I throw him off (something I DO have the legal right to do). Because I do not watch broadcast TV, and as such cannot be proved to have done so, I have no concerns at all about being fined for not having a TV licence
If you are going to draw a similarity with SORN, it's like being caught speeding by a speed camera. The police may offer you the chance to settle the matter by means of a fixed penalty notice. If you choose not to take them up on that offer, they have two options 1) Forget about it. 2) Take you to court for speeding. There is no option for 3) Apply the fixed penalty anyway. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 5 years, 13 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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