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c_dug
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PostPosted: 22:30 - 15 Apr 2019    Post subject: Nearly lost another one (security did it's job). Reply with quote
I spent over a year off the road when my Fazer was stolen, before finally succumbing to the urge and buying the 1200gs I currently commute on.

Barely 2 months in and I've just sustained the first attempt at its theft whilst I was out at a restaurant (no chance when I'm in, I've become a complete curtain twitcher through completely validated paranoia).

Fortunately the disc lock alarm must have scared them off, and Biketrac text me and called me within minutes too.

Total damage is a broken steering lock, and even more paranoia, wouldn't have thought the latter was even possible but here we are.

Anyway, Biketrac and Abus disc lock are worth every penny so a big thumbs up from me. All I can do otherwise is move further out of London.
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PostPosted: 07:58 - 16 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
My instructor told me not to bother with a steering lock; he said they're so easy to break and can cause damage when they do, it's not worth it, particularly on older bikes which he said they can get jammed leaving you with either being stranded or potentially damaging your own bike.

Glad that your security held up; bizarre order to do things in though, you'd expect them to look at the harder stuff first and decide if not to bother?! Clearly not a "pro" (fortunately!). Was your bike out of sight / in a garage, or out in the open?
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PostPosted: 08:53 - 16 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
ThunderGuts wrote:
My instructor told me not to bother with a steering lock; he said they're so easy to break and can cause damage when they do, it's not worth it, particularly on older bikes which he said they can get jammed leaving you with either being stranded or potentially damaging your own bike.


I find this advise a bit confusing. If you don't use the steering lock and they steal it you're better off than if it gets damaged but they don't get the bike? Chances are you'll never see the bike again if they do get it, damaged steering lock or not.
I've personally never heard of a steering lock jamming on, has anyone else had that? Genuinely interested. I know lock cylinders can jam up if you've been filing them with WD40 for years, but I've had a few old bikes and never had a steering lock jam on.
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PostPosted: 09:56 - 16 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
It is just another thing to break, which can be broken so easy. I don't use the steering lock, just a massive chain and disk lock. It'll take 2 hours or more to replace the ignition and lock. It'll take them 5 seconds to break it.
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PostPosted: 10:43 - 16 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Just be careful if you don't use it, some insurance companies specify it must be in use.

If you make a claim and say it was in use and then later the bike is recovered and it's not busted, could that land you in trouble?

Guessing they won't know unless they get their claws on it somehow?
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PostPosted: 12:26 - 16 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
owl wrote:
Just be careful if you don't use it, some insurance companies specify it must be in use.

If you make a claim and say it was in use and then later the bike is recovered and it's not busted, could that land you in trouble?


It was on when I parked it, prove otherwise. Recovered in good nick, thank god they replaced the lock for me. Most of the time, it ain't coming back.
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PostPosted: 13:42 - 16 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Paddy. wrote:
owl wrote:
Just be careful if you don't use it, some insurance companies specify it must be in use.

If you make a claim and say it was in use and then later the bike is recovered and it's not busted, could that land you in trouble?


It was on when I parked it, prove otherwise. Recovered in good nick, thank god they replaced the lock for me. Most of the time, it ain't coming back.


Point taken, it might come back though though, if it has a tracker fitted, but that's usually within hours if it does, after that it's likely gone.

My point though is just make sure you get your stories straight in the event of a claim, and check your policy documents, otherwise might end up like that poor Tracer fellow who was denied his claim for not having a disc lock. Did anyone ever hear more about that?
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PostPosted: 18:23 - 16 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Bad luck Conan. Did they just pull the barrel out of the lock? You can get replacements quite cheaply from Motorworks. Even if they have broken the retainer in the barrel (likely) I have found a way of fixing it in successfully.
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PostPosted: 20:01 - 16 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
jnw010 wrote:


I find this advise a bit confusing. If you don't use the steering lock and they steal it you're better off than if it gets damaged but they don't get the bike? Chances are you'll never see the bike again if they do get it, damaged steering lock or not.
I've personally never heard of a steering lock jamming on, has anyone else had that? Genuinely interested. I know lock cylinders can jam up if you've been filing them with WD40 for years, but I've had a few old bikes and never had a steering lock jam on.


Most of the bikes I've had stolen turned up again. When the steering lock was on they have had various levels of damage I had to fix. From a minimum of a new lock barrel right up extensive damage resulting from repeated booting of the end of the handlebar inculding switchgear, throttle tube, broken lockstops, bent handlebars and a damaged bottom yoke.

Lockstops in particular can be a royal PITA to fix and can write a bike off because they are part of the frame.

I leave the keys in my bikes in the garage these days. Then if they are stolen and turn up again, there's a chance I don't have to go through all the rigmarole of fixing that shit again. Especially bikes with multiple locks. If they are standing in my garage, a lockstop isn't going to prevent them taking the bike.
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PostPosted: 22:58 - 16 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Pete. wrote:
Bad luck Conan. Did they just pull the barrel out of the lock? You can get replacements quite cheaply from Motorworks. Even if they have broken the retainer in the barrel (likely) I have found a way of fixing it in successfully.


They just snapped the lock using the bars fortunately, a new barrel would sort it, just a pain in arse because the top box and panniers currently match the ignition. Also not sure what the deal is around the immobiser with a new ignition but I'm told that's not a problem.

I'm still trying to work out exactly what went on as it goes. I left the bike on the centre stand, with the steering lock and disc lock on. when I came back the bike was on its side stand with broken steering lock, but seemingly no damage to the disc lock at all.

The disc lock alarm is really sensitive though, so either moving the bike from the centre stand or snapping the steering lock would have had the disc alarm going off straight away for sure. If the alarm going off was enough to stop them then I don't understand how or why they did both, surely they'd have just given up the second it went off?

Also, why put it on the sidestand instead of just dumping it and running.

There's usually at least a little bit of understandable method in how thieves do their thing, I can't really wrap my head around it this time.
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PostPosted: 23:06 - 16 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
I recently discovered you can dismantle most ignition locks and rearrange the wards to match your original key. There are loads of small springs so be warned. Youtube will help. Who knew?!
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https://www.motorworks.co.uk/vlive/Shop/Parts.php?T=6&Q=BA_15_30_IA_22_50_AG

This is the part I'm on about but it seems to fit everything except the 1200GS Sad

Worth a call to Motorworks they are very helpful.
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PostPosted: 11:10 - 17 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
c_dug wrote:
Also not sure what the deal is around the immobiser with a new ignition but I'm told that's not a problem.


For OEM immobilizers, the barrel just has a receiver to talk to the key. The authentication happens in the ECU.
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PostPosted: 11:49 - 17 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
stinkwheel wrote:
I recently discovered you can dismantle most ignition locks and rearrange the wards to match your original key. There are loads of small springs so be warned. Youtube will help. Who knew?!


I've done this before with a Toolbox lock it was a complete success Thumbs Up

I also tried this yesterday with my MulTlock house locks. They are all keyed a like. I hate having loads of keys so currently my entire house is on 2 keys, 1 MulTlock doing 3 doors and 4 euro cylinders and 1 Abus that does the back gate, garden storage and shed.

I want the garage on the house key too, I have 2 spare locks keyed the same so I tried them one was the perfect size but the wrong way round (and as a thumb turn this matters!) I thought maybe I could flip the internals. I pulled the thumb turn out no bother I then pulled the barrel out....

https://i.imgur.com/uLgsAyO.jpg

A new one the correct size is on order Laughing
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