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That has nothing to do with Farage's wishes at all, you just put that in to spin an agenda.
She's saying any Brexit deal, which includes the EU'sMay's Withdrawal Agreement. This "Backstop" EU trap is hardly popular with at least one side of the Irish border is it? Nor would that agreement allow us to strike our own deal anyway.
More over, wouldn't Trump eventually get the final say over her?
| Quote: | Pelosi’s remarks are likely to be seen by Brexit supporters as the latest effort by Democrats to ward the U.K. away from a departure from the E.U. Former President Barack Obama, just weeks before the 2016 referendum, famously warned Brits that the U.K. would be “back of the queue” for a trade deal if it left the E.U.
The country voted to leave the E.U. anyway. |
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Climate change protest people will still be sitting in the roads and pissing everyone off? |
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| cdlxxvi wrote: | Nigel et al want a no deal Brexit, which will automatically bin GFA. That means no US trade deal, even if the Stable Genius throws another tantrum; for he cannot make an FTA on his own. |
We don't want a hard border, Ireland doesn't want one, neither does Northern Ireland. Who exactly is going to force one on us, the EU and it's new Ferderal Army?
It's all part of the EU's scare tactics game FFS, I thought even you'd be bright enough to see through it. Does the entire rest of the EU perimeter have a hard border around it? Does it fuck.
It's perfectly manageable to have electronic freight clearance with no need to have a hard border, even for human checks, just as it doesn't have now, when Northern Ireland is already not part of the Schengen zone.
Very little changes. It's an Island. All visitors not from part of Ireland or N.Ire, are checked on entry at ports or airports.
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This thing about the hard border is a good point, I've not really 'got it'.
If we don't want it, Ireland don't want it, the EU doesn't want it.
Why the fuck do we have to have it?
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| bhinso wrote: | This thing about the hard border is a good point, I've not really 'got it'.
If we don't want it, Ireland don't want it, the EU doesn't want it.
Why the fuck do we have to have it?
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I think what I've highlighted above is your mistake, and why you are getting confused.
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| chickenstrip wrote: | | bhinso wrote: | This thing about the hard border is a good point, I've not really 'got it'.
If we don't want it, Ireland don't want it, the EU doesn't want it.
Why the fuck do we have to have it?
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I think what I've highlighted above is your mistake, and why you are getting confused. |
I'm not so sure. The EU only wants to pretend it must happen in order to prevent Brexit or force us into agreeing their BRINO deal which May is dressing up as hers. They seem to be the ones insisting it must happen, not us or Ireland. What would they do it we told them to eff off, before they've got their massive army assembled?
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Look, it's really very simple.
If we leave the EU, they want a hard border between Eire and NI.
Unless they can get their mitts on NI as well, through a united Ireland, which they would prefer.
Which could mean they get to keep all of the UK for themselves, which they would prefer even more.
Just depends on how the cards play out.
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| chickenstrip wrote: | Look, it's really very simple.
If we leave the EU, they want a hard border between Eire and NI.
Unless they can get their mitts on NI as well, through a united Ireland, which they would prefer.
Which could mean they get to keep all of the UK for themselves, which they would prefer even more.
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The can want all they like, do we have to obey them if we leave the EU? Is there a hard border on all other EU perimeters, even ones with an Island with a border? I doubt it. This is being used as a tool for the EU to beat Brexit with and our government have fallen for it, or more likely gone along with them.
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The can want all they like, do we have to obey them if we leave the EU? Is there a hard border on all other EU perimeters, even ones with an Island with a border? I doubt it. This is being used as a tool for the EU to beat Brexit with and our government have fallen for it, or more likely gone along with them. |
Yes, I agree, it's just a tactic to dupe the dumbest politicians on earth (i.e. ours).
Simple solution: give them that sponging, violent, useless piece of real estate and be done with it.
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| mpd72 wrote: | | cdlxxvi wrote: | Nigel et al want a no deal Brexit, which will automatically bin GFA. That means no US trade deal, even if the Stable Genius throws another tantrum; for he cannot make an FTA on his own. |
It's perfectly manageable to have electronic freight clearance with no need to have a hard border, even for human checks, just as it doesn't have now, when Northern Ireland is already not part of the Schengen zone.
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What you are describing is a deal. One involving unicorns, but that's another thing; in any case it's some kind of a deal.
On the other hand, you, together with other devotees of Borism-Nigelism, want no deal.
One thing is having a deal. The other is having no deal. They are different, and mutually exclusive. I hope it's clear enough now  |
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What you are describing is a deal. |
Wrong.
We leave on WTO terms, we do what we and Ireland want on that border. The EU can go fuck itself. Hard for Europhiles like you to grasp, but going by your posting style, you were still in your dad's ball sack before 1992.
It's only a bargaining ship to stop us funding their federal super state project anyway. We don't want or need it, neither do Ireland or Northern Ireland. Who cares what Brussels wants?
It hasn't got it's military force to force countries to "Obey Ze rules" yet.
It will have soon, if we don't leave.
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We do not need a hard border. |
Yes, we do; in the Irish Sea, after we've dumped NI on the EU.
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| Quote: | Town halls in London have started sending letters to hundreds of thousands of non-British EU citizens living in the capital telling them that they can vote here in the elections.
Lewisham, the lead borough for the election, explained: “If you are an EU citizen registered to vote in the UK, you are not automatically registered to vote at the European Parliamentary election on 23 May 2019.
“European Union citizens can choose to vote in the UK or their home country at this election. We are sending a registration form to all EU citizens who are on our electoral register. You must complete this form if you wish to vote in the UK.”
If the European elections are not staged in the UK, which the Government is desperately seeking to achieve by getting the Withdrawal Agreement Bill through Parliament, then EU citizens would still be able to vote in their home country even if they have registered to do so here. |
Looks like the government are resorting to cheating now in order to make them look less shit when Farage's party kicks their arse in the EU elections.
Convincing non UK citizens to vote in the UK elections is a new low from a desperate Remain government. .
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This is getting silly now. The fake Brexit Party Facebook page is now almost identical to the genuine one, even down to the name and profile picture.
It's quite clear this is designed to look like the real party to fool people into thinking the party is way further right than it is, as the content being posted by the fake page has a growing racist undertone now. Why are Facebook ignoring reports of this fake page, from so many people now?
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