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PostPosted: 13:25 - 22 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Three years ago the OP might have given a shit
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PostPosted: 13:38 - 22 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

duhawkz wrote:
Three years ago the OP might have given a shit


Au Contreras measure. The drain was blocked.
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PostPosted: 13:52 - 22 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

duhawkz wrote:
Three years ago the OP might have given a shit


I'm a bit surprised to see this come up again and disappointed that I didn't follow it up, as I hate it when other people do that.

As it turned out, a second application of HCl did the trick, but the real problem was the incompetent half wits who refurbed the bathroom.

When they redid the plumbing from the sink to the main waste pipe, they put in a very shallow angle where it ran under the bath, almost flat in fact; I questioned it at the time and was assured it would be OK.

What was happening was, because of the shallowness of that angle, the water was moving extremely slowly along it's longest run, allowing contaminants to build up and, eventually, blocking the pipe.

Anyway, I left that property about 3 months after this thread, so now it's someone else's problem.
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PostPosted: 14:09 - 22 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

doggone wrote:
Bear in mind mixing acids and alkali can create interesting results such as Mustard gas, my Dad did this one, I never was quite able to reproduce the spectacular effect.


Ah. That’s a bit of a worry.
I think I might leave it alone and buy some professional drain opener. Better than turning my bathroom into a gas chamber. Thanks for that!
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PostPosted: 14:14 - 22 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

duhawkz wrote:
Three years ago the OP might have given a shit


This thread came up when I was frantically googling and trying to find an answer to my problem. Forums very often help more than just the OP.
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PostPosted: 14:30 - 22 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're welcome. Wub
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PostPosted: 07:38 - 23 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would definitely try the One Shot as mentioned three years ago.
It’s never failed for me whereas the Mister Muscle type products have always been useless.
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PostPosted: 11:39 - 23 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

DJS wrote:
I would definitely try the One Shot as mentioned three years ago.
It’s never failed for me whereas the Mister Muscle type products have always been useless.

Thanks! I’ve ordered one of these things (thinking that I’d rather try it before than after using dangerous chemicals!) which should hopefully turn up today. If that doesn’t shift it, I’ll definitely have to get some kind of powerful chemical. One Shot does seem to be the go-to product for many but I’m feeling increasingly baffled by the huge number of types. Some are sulphuric acid based, some hydrochloric, there’s caustic soda, sodium/potassium hydroxide...and the trouble is, a lot of these things have alternative names so it’s very confusing.
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PostPosted: 11:50 - 23 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

DJS wrote:
I would definitely try the One Shot as mentioned three years ago.
It’s never failed for me whereas the Mister Muscle type products have always been useless.


Not true.
Mr. Muscle was good years ago.
People got burned due to not following instructions on the packs and that caused mayhem.
The company resolved the PR issue by diluting the product efficacy.

Yes now it is shite at doing shit.

And, unrelated, one must be careful what one shoves down the lavy.
Things that do not break down or things too dense to easily dissolve will choke the flow.

Drain unblockers dissolve biological stuff but not so good at other solids.

And if you manage to get your 'gloved' hands on sodium hydroxide (caustic soda) crystals beware of the heat generated. It can melt plastic.
But it is much more effective than the shit in the bottles.

Trade Chemicals SODIUM HYDROXIDE 99.9% CAUSTIC PEARL Drain Unblocker - MICROPEARLS (Comes in Heat Sealed Tub) (500g) https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0761RCHST/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_c2UVCbC8J6BSC

And it will dissolve bare flesh instantly. Cool
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PostPosted: 11:54 - 23 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

aderynmawr wrote:
DJS wrote:
I would definitely try the One Shot as mentioned three years ago.
It’s never failed for me whereas the Mister Muscle type products have always been useless.

Thanks! I’ve ordered one of these things (thinking that I’d rather try it before than after using dangerous chemicals!) which should hopefully turn up today. If that doesn’t shift it, I’ll definitely have to get some kind of powerful chemical. One Shot does seem to be the go-to product for many but I’m feeling increasingly baffled by the huge number of types. Some are sulphuric acid based, some hydrochloric, there’s caustic soda, sodium/potassium hydroxide...and the trouble is, a lot of these things have alternative names so it’s very confusing.


Be careful what you do.
Filling the pipes with corrosive compounds will mean any other interventions will involve working with corrosive compounds.
If the pipe is blocked then you can't flush the chemicals.

Long rubber gloves and goggles are advised.

I 'almost' do this shit for a living. Very Happy
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PostPosted: 12:10 - 23 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a plunger that is like a big bicycle tire pump. You can fill it with water put it over the plug and blast it through, it's always worked well for me. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 14:03 - 23 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

aderynmawr wrote:
Thanks! I’ve ordered one of these things (...)


Be careful not to blow push-fit pipework apart with that.

If you have a wet'n'dry vacuum that's another possibility, but I've found the https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eajb0X7BsBk (plastic housing) to be best.
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PostPosted: 14:38 - 23 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riejufixing wrote:
aderynmawr wrote:
Thanks! I’ve ordered one of these things (...)


Be careful not to blow push-fit pipework apart with that.

If you have a wet'n'dry vacuum that's another possibility, but I've found the https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eajb0X7BsBk (plastic housing) to be best.


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PostPosted: 23:28 - 24 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also have a slow draining wash hand basin in the bathroom and now I am worried that I might put the wrong stuff down and gas myself.

Can someone please explain the mustard gas thing in words of one syllable, please.

What should/shouldn't I use.

In the past the number 1 chaperone has attempted to clear it (over a year ago), he reckons he's had the trap off, but that he is going to have to cut the pipe (or something ...? I dunno). He's been too busy elsewhere lately and so I just avoid really using it very much. I wash my face in the shower and spit my tooth cleaning goo in the toilet and flush. So I really only use it to wash my hands, and then it takes about 10 minutes to empty.

Its quite annoying. Mad
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PostPosted: 02:15 - 25 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

hellkat wrote:
I also have a slow draining wash hand basin in the bathroom and now I am worried that I might put the wrong stuff down and gas myself.

Can someone please explain the mustard gas thing in words of one syllable, please.

What should/shouldn't I use.

In the past the number 1 chaperone has attempted to clear it (over a year ago), he reckons he's had the trap off, but that he is going to have to cut the pipe (or something ...? I dunno). He's been too busy elsewhere lately and so I just avoid really using it very much. I wash my face in the shower and spit my tooth cleaning goo in the toilet and flush. So I really only use it to wash my hands, and then it takes about 10 minutes to empty.

Its quite annoying. Mad


Mustard gas is a complex man made compound.
Rotting material in drains can produce H2S Hydrogen Sulphide.
Smells like rotten eggs. In low concentration. If high enough concentration is blocks olfactory sense. So you cannot smell it.
It will kill you in one sniff if strong enough. Paralysis of respiratory system and then death.
Damp Gas, Stink Gas. Are some of the names for it.

Sulphuric acid will gas off sulphur compounds. If mixed with hydrogen you get H2S.
A blocked drain went harm you but adding strong chemicals that gas off toxins can.
A slow drain will respond to either sulphuric acid or caustic soda draino compounds. One is as good as the other.
But the sulphur is stinky winky and will be a problem for respiration in a confined space. I use a respirator whenever I use the sulphur type. It is so bad that the compound we use comes with a deodouriser too. Smells like roses.
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PostPosted: 09:21 - 25 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:
Be careful what you do.
Filling the pipes with corrosive compounds will mean any other interventions will involve working with corrosive compounds.


This was exactly what I was afraid of, so tried the drain plunger device first. I wasn’t expecting much from it - but it actually worked! I gave it 3-4 pumps and was sprayed with the black muck (which stank of vinegar, after my previous attempt to get it unblocked). Ran the tap and the water drained away at a normal speed - I’m SO relieved to have it sorted at last. Thanks for all your help.
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PostPosted: 09:27 - 25 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

hellkat wrote:
I also have a slow draining wash hand basin in the bathroom and now I am worried that I might put the wrong stuff down and gas myself.

I tried just about everything barring the more powerful chemicals and nothing worked until I bought the plunger thing that I mentioned earlier. I’d say definitely try that first.
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PostPosted: 09:39 - 25 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And if you manage to get your 'gloved' hands on sodium hydroxide (caustic soda) crystals beware of the heat generated. It can melt plastic.

I bought some yesterday (I was looking for the other chemical drain openers mentioned earlier in this thread but all I could find was Mr Muscle and caustic soda) and since my bathroom basin is now the fastest to drain in the house, plan to give all my plug holes a “just in case” treatment. What concentration would you recommend and how long should I leave it?
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PostPosted: 09:54 - 25 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I’m now regarding my dental routine with deep suspicion. That black semi-solid slime initially smelled very minty so I think that toothpaste, along with “Dentyl” mouthwash (which I think has some kind of oil in it?) combined with my hatred of wasting water (I only use a little splash to rinse away my spittings) was the cause of the blockage. I think in future, I’ll run the tap for a few seconds when I’ve finished!
Thanks to everyone for their advice 😊
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aderynmawr wrote:
MCN wrote:
And if you manage to get your 'gloved' hands on sodium hydroxide (caustic soda) crystals beware of the heat generated. It can melt plastic.

I bought some yesterday (I was looking for the other chemical drain openers mentioned earlier in this thread but all I could find was Mr Muscle and caustic soda) and since my bathroom basin is now the fastest to drain in the house, plan to give all my plug holes a “just in case” treatment. What concentration would you recommend and how long should I leave it?


It's usually human hair that chokes drains.
It doesn't digest as well as other human remains, gets stuck or tangulated around things other detritus etc. and provides an anchor for bacteria and other stuff.
A squelching mass of filth.
Feathers, teeth, claws, bones, wood and etc are passed out of the digestive system almost intact. Stomach acid can break than down eventually but the acid is not just to break down things. And digestion is too fast.

Snakes acid can dissolve a lot more but their digestion is a lot slower too. Slow metabolic system. Low energy expense. Live for weeks without food.

So you need something to break down hair.
Mechanical means are quicker but equipment is expensive.
If I do drains at work I fill a jug/bucket half full of water.
Add soda in gradual amounts until saturated solution is reached (where the crystal no longer dissolve in the liquid)
The solution can become very hot and a bit 'fizzy' if mixed in too fast. The reaction boils the water. That can spit the liquid out the container which is why eyewear is important.

Pour the solution down the plug holes and let it get to work.
Keep some clean water in a cup. As soon as you dose the drain, rinse any metal parts (plug hole) with the water to prevent the solution attacking the decorative finish.

Let it all bake for as long as possible. At least an hour before using the drain again.
If you use the drain too soon it will wash out the magic.

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PostPosted: 12:58 - 25 Apr 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:
It's usually human hair that chokes drains.

Don’t I know it! My hair is long and seems to fall out at a hell of a rate - it’s everywhere. I’m so sick of it that I’m seriously considering investing in some electric clippers. Thanks again for the advice!
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