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LexRider L Plate Warrior
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Posted: 14:33 - 07 May 2019 Post subject: Newby Rider - breaking advice |
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Hey there, new rider and new to these forums!
I’ve been riding since December and I seem to have gone through a new set of brake pads in about 2k miles which seems like a very short lifespan
Are there any tips from experienced riders out there to get me out of bad habits? (Worst one is dragging the rear break when slowing down and cornering)
The instructor I had for my CBT didn’t actually get into much detail so I’ve booked a couple hours with a new training body with a really good rep to iron out a few things
Any tips are more than welcome though because I didn’t realise the damage I was doing until my bike failed it’s MOT, only issue being the brake pads |
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LexRider L Plate Warrior
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Posted: 14:54 - 07 May 2019 Post subject: |
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Just the rear, I don’t ride with my foot resting on it but it’s my go to brake to slow down in traffic and when I’m going around tight corners, doesn’t help that the first time I used the front brake I panicked and pulled it in fast and dropped the bike, kinda put me off using it as often as I should
The instructor I had never really mentioned how to brake properly, as long as I came to a stop safely he was happy and it just seemed easier but it doesn’t seem to be doing me any favours if I’ll be replacing the pads every few months, I’m wanting to do my DAS at the end of the year so ideally I need to get into good habits sooner rather than later hence the new instructor I’ll be seeing on Saturday |
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Posted: 15:56 - 07 May 2019 Post subject: Re: Newby Rider - breaking advice |
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LexRider wrote: | Hey there, new rider and new to these forums! |
Welcome.
Quote: | I’ve been riding since December and I seem to have gone through a new set of brake pads in about 2k miles which seems like a very short lifespan |
Is it a Chinese bike? Based on my limited experience with a
Keeway 125, the calipers and pads are not very good. Pad
wear was rapid and uneven, so that the worn pads looked like a
wedge.
Quote: | Are there any tips from experienced riders out there to get me out of bad habits? (Worst one is dragging the rear break when slowing down and cornering) |
Check the temperature of the front and rear discs after riding
the bike. If you find the rear disc is much hotter than the front,
you need to work on your braking technique.
Quote: | Any tips are more than welcome... |
Are you riding too fast?
Keep your head up while you are riding and scan the road
ahead. Adjust your speed and position to avoid hazards
and unnecessary stops. This will save wear on brakes,
boots, tyres and will also reduce your fuel consumption.
Practice braking under various road conditions. Be
careful on wet roads or loose gravel until you
develop the necessary skills.
Quote: | The instructor I had never really mentioned how to brake properly |
Get a better instructor. ____________________ Bandit 650SA, ZZ-R1100 |
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Posted: 21:28 - 07 May 2019 Post subject: |
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Think ahead! I have a similar bike... actually one that handles much worse I expect and I barely use the brakes at all!
Letting off the throttle - you slow down a bit. As you're slowing you can change down a gear - engine braking. Get the hang of that as you approach a junction - i.e. planning the optimum speed ahead of time - and you'll need the brakes a lot less.
Tips on front brake: max stopping power but only if you're going in a straight line! If you consider that you're effectively shifting the weight of the bike from centre to front, as you apply the front brake, the back wheel has slightly less grip which is not what you want when leaning round a tight bend!
Also, to keep control, you don't want to squeeze the front brake like you're trying to strangle someone. Ease into it so the suspension starts to compress (taking some of the weight that is shifting forward) and only then squeeze some more. Remember, if the back wheel lifts off the deck you've f*cked up!
For the rear brake, yes it will slow you down some but nowhere near as well as the front brake. Keep it in reserve for slowing around bends - if you really need it. Also, if you're shifting down from say 4th to 1st (you can see the lights ahead have just changed) in rapid succession you'll probably be tempted to hold onto the clutch for a while but ofc then the bike isn't under the engine's control! So if you must be naughty on the downshifts this is the point where you'd drag the rear brake
Use the front and rear brakes a lot? New brakes every month Go OTT on engine braking? Shortens the life of the clutch. Lot's of hard and unnecessary acceleration? More engine wear, regular oil changes...
tl;dr think ahead, slow down by easing off the throttle, ride more conservatively! ____________________ Husqvarna Vitpilen 401, Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter |
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Posted: 22:08 - 07 May 2019 Post subject: |
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I cannot believe that 'propper' braking wasn't covered on CBT, there's a whole bludy sub-element on the topic, A-N-D, the 75F25R in the dry, 50F50R in the wet, ALWAYS front before back, is a bit of lore that is repeated oft and loudly in not just CBT but, the training manuals and I think even the HWC!
Fact that you suggest coming off having grabbed a big fist of front.... is not suprising... that happens when you grab a big fist of front! But, tends to suggest that you have mind-blacked a lot of the lesson... pain has that effect... and are doing what you feel happiest with, not touching the front brake, not doing what you were taught or told, using BOTH brakes, which is a stressed bit of the CBT script.
So... at least half your braking comes from the front brake; which you aren't using.... this DOES trhen sort of suggest that to get the same amount of slowing... that braking effort has to be being got at the back... hence prematurely worn pads! #Sort of makes sense doesn't it?
Next? Newbies tend to be rather reactive on the brakes; braking far more often than needed, and far harder than needed, 'cos they aren't watching so far ahead or predicting what's coming.
Mention of sussing down changes, suggests another common newbie issue, that of short shifting, shifting up too many gears too early, begging down shifts you dont actually need, as well as denying throttle response and slowing on the revs, begging more brake still.
So.... stop short shifting... ride for response, use the revs not the gears, and use the front effing brake FFS! ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
Current Bikes:'Honda VF1000F' ;'CB750F2N' ;'CB125TD ( 6 3 of em!)'; 'Montesa Cota 248'. Learner FAQ's:= 'U want to Ride a Motorbike! Where Do U start?' |
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Posted: 02:38 - 10 May 2019 Post subject: |
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Just had another thought today while on the way to work: get your lines right.
That's taken me a while! The line for my car is nothing like the line for my motorbike which is nothing like the line for my ebike!!!
I'm actually glad the weather's been shitty lately as I really don't mind pissing rain on a motorbike but I always felt miserable on the ebike... at least the electric shocks kept me alert though ____________________ Husqvarna Vitpilen 401, Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 4 years, 324 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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