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PostPosted: 14:23 - 14 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe you could get away with the 5p ones, but go to the 13p ones if you had a particularly heavy flow.
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PostPosted: 14:24 - 14 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:
I don't think he would last one thread on here. 😊


Hammer or flounce?
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PostPosted: 15:35 - 14 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, black ppl have it worse than white ppl... Ah but black women have it even worse!

But how about black, female, paraplegic with mental health issues... that's a lesbian? Once you tick all the boxes you basically come back to individuals with their own unique circumstances.

Back on topic.

The difficulty with mental health, from the NHS point of view, is that - unlike a broken leg - there's no easy fix.

Great, so Jeff is agoraphobic and diagnosed with severe social anxiety disorder. Now what? Book him in with a shrink and he's fixed? Nope, he might make progress with either medication, therapy or both but it's hard to quantify how much progress has been made.

WTF do the doctors put on the forms to get "NHS sees 25% improvement, year on year, in mental health outcomes" ?!
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PostPosted: 15:39 - 14 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

HardlyDavidson wrote:
But how about black, female, paraplegic with mental health issues... that's a lesbian?


Dianne?
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PostPosted: 17:17 - 14 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

bhinso wrote:
MCN wrote:
I don't think he would last one thread on here. 😊


Hammer or flounce?


I'd favourite Hammer as his current mental capacity indicates a lack of insight.
No amount of 'cajoling' from other members would deter this edjit, ergo, a flounce would might not be tabled.
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PostPosted: 18:13 - 14 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know a lot of motorcyclists with severe mental health problems* diagnoses. Many more than of my non-motorcyclist friends. Not even a case of being more honest about it because some of them actively deny it or are apparently unaware of it. Like I know more than a few who are clearly well up the Aspbergers spectrum but haven't been "diagnosed". We get a lot of those on here.

I think motorcycling is part of a stress coping mechanism. Riding a motorcycle is by definition a very mindful persuit, if it isn't, you will not remain a motorcyclist for long. Introduces an absolute clarity of movement, function and decision making you would struggle to find elsewhere. Also blocks out everything but your own interior monologue. I can never understand how people manage to ride a bike and listen to music at the same time.

* It's only a "problem" if you let it be? Or in some cases, want it to be?
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PostPosted: 23:58 - 14 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mental health problems are where other people don't have the patience to treat people coping with mental health issues with any decency.

People are lazy and they like a nice, safe, predictable situations. With something like bipolar & borderline personality disorders you won't really know "who" you're about to talk to even though you recognise the face.

Certainly when I was younger and less educated I used to get very frustrated with my eldest daughter's behaviour (the youngest is no better but narcissism seems relatively acceptable in today's Instagram society!) I'm getting a better sense now on some of the outliers of a conversation or even just body language that things could go south at any moment if not handled gently.
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PostPosted: 06:11 - 15 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just musing...

I think riding bikes could be a thing that attracts some with 'mental health issues', especially if they're the kind of issues that make it difficult to interact socially with others. It's a way of being isolated, and yet still able to get out in the world. Social media is another one - there is a disconnect between users that perhaps makes it more accessible for those who would struggle with face-to-face encounters, so we see more of those types here than perhaps we would IRL.

I also think that many people who wouldn't be diagnosed with specific problems could recognise some traits of those that have been diagnosed in themselves, but it's a matter of degree. Mental health disorders, it seems to me, often exaggerate those traits that would ordinarily just define a 'normal' personality (whatever one of those is). We all have our 'quirks'.
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PostPosted: 08:16 - 15 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

HardlyDavidson wrote:
Mental health problems are where other people don't have the patience to treat people coping with mental health issues with any decency.

People are lazy and they like a nice, safe, predictable situations. With something like bipolar & borderline personality disorders you won't really know "who" you're about to talk to even though you recognise the face.

Certainly when I was younger and less educated I used to get very frustrated with my eldest daughter's behaviour (the youngest is no better but narcissism seems relatively acceptable in today's Instagram society!) I'm getting a better sense now on some of the outliers of a conversation or even just body language that things could go south at any moment if not handled gently.


I wouldn't shoot everyone down for mishandling other folks mental issues.
The people who treat those conditions don't just wake up knowing the job.
It requires a substantial level of intelligence and study instruction and compassion to work with mental health issues.
The biggest problem for non-medical people is the stigma surrounding mental health.
Most health matters are very personal and can remain hidden by the patient.
Abuse of anyone is wrong but being unable to recognise that a person is not well could be a problem too.
This forum has seen many 'wankers' pass through. Abused by the usual suspects and unprotected by anything on the forum.
There is no checklist for mods to refer to.
We still have one or two who I consider compromised by poor reasoning or more seriously, cognitive behavioural insufficiency. But I'm only the forum psychologist not the psychiatrist so I'll reserve publishing the results of my diagnosis until after the person/s flounces or catches the hammer.
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PostPosted: 09:53 - 15 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree, biking is a way to force yourself into a mindful state. People who are considered "Adrenaline Junkies" usually have mental health issues. They tend to be unbearable unless they're doing something adrenaline pumping.

The act of riding a motorcycle at speed narrows your attention to what is happening right at that moment, there's no space for the anxiety to exist, and therefore you get to experience the joy of being fully present.

That feeling, the one where you are having the best day ever is what the whole pursuit of meditation/mindfulness is about. Cultivating that feeling without the need of doing some extreme sport, and having access to it all the time. It should be taught to everyone from an early age. I'm only just really starting to get into it, but it's helped me a fuck load in my life already.

The problem is that meditation is stigmatised as being some airy fairy monk with his legs crossed chanting auuummmm... but you can practise it everywhere. When driving I use every red light as a chance to slow my breathing and bring my attention to my surroundings to stop that mental chatter. It makes a massive difference. I'd reccommend a book by Eckhart Tolle - The Power of Now. I found it fascinating and really helpful with my anxiety.
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PostPosted: 15:03 - 15 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I went along to a local autism group meeting last night. I've never been to anything like this before but wanted to see how it related to me, could it explain stuff like Anxiety.

No surprises to me to see that there was a wide range. Many highly educated, one RAF block with PTSD from Afghanistan, etc. They'd all been diagnosed with autism/aspergers. Many were out of work because they simply couldn't handle the work politics. Me I wish there WAS some work politics here: Everyone stares at their screens all day.

I'd always thought social media was not a good thing if you have MH issues, because Facebook falsely portrays the message that everyone else is having a whale of a time. However, chickenstrip's comment was insightful because a guy with a DPhil said precisely that to me: He uses facebook for meetings and stuff because it's horrible for him face to face.

I learnt that Aspergers is autistic behaviour, but you're aware of it and take preventative measures. For example, you fear socializing so you avoid it. You feel you can't understand people or interact, so you keep quiet to avoid any issues, etc. Autism is the same but when you don't have the concept, hence you will plough on, be manipulated, etc. etc.

Overall, if anything I felt I'd be the former, but didn't really 100% feel that TBH. Learnt a few things though.
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PostPosted: 17:40 - 15 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bubbs wrote:
The problem is that meditation is stigmatised as being some airy fairy monk with his legs crossed chanting auuummmm... but you can practise it everywhere. When driving I use every red light as a chance to slow my breathing and bring my attention to my surroundings to stop that mental chatter. It makes a massive difference. I'd reccommend a book by Eckhart Tolle - The Power of Now. I found it fascinating and really helpful with my anxiety.


I definitely appreciate this: there's a few spots on my journey home where I don't filter past the cars, I just sit in the traffic and just contemplate the sun filtering through the leaves of the trees Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 19:21 - 15 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

HardlyDavidson wrote:
Mental health problems are where other people don't have the patience to treat people coping with mental health issues with any decency.


Dunno about that. I know a few people who pretty much aspire to a mental health diagnosis as if it in some way excuses them from working or socialising or behaving in a particular way. An excuse to abdicate responsability for some aspect of their life or interactions with others.

Others, who may to my mind have a much more severe disability, do not let it beat them and find coping mechanisms to allow them to lead a much more "normal" lifestyle.

To paralell it with a physical injury. I know people who have a hip replacement and effectively see it as a reson to stop doing anything, or stop trying to. That person will never walk again without a stick and lands up unemployed running round asda on one of those scooter things. Others see it as a chance to start doing things again. Two ladies in my Tai Chi class had hip replacements last year and can now "sweep lotus" (a slow, one legged sweep kick at waist height) better than I can.
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PostPosted: 21:45 - 15 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

bhinso wrote:
However, chickenstrip's comment was insightful because a guy with a DPhil said precisely that to me: He uses facebook for meetings and stuff because it's horrible for him face to face.


I don't know how this is with people who have such problems, but I also think that social media/internet contact gives you time to think about a subject, get your thoughts in order before replying to someone - I certainly often do this, but you can't always do that in face-to-face conversations, especially where such conversations might drift from subject to subject, and I think some people can't handle that kind of wider conversation, or maybe find it too frustrating. A forum like this one where subjects are corralled maybe helps those who experience that kind of frustration. But again, I think it is a problem with various degrees; maybe we all find that a bit, but some find it absolutely prohibiting IRL.
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PostPosted: 18:39 - 16 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

As someone who didn't realise I had mental heath issues until I attempted to take my own life, this is a welcomed week.

Pills and potions are not a cure all, talking helps A lot.

If you are worried about someone. Talk to them.
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PostPosted: 19:38 - 16 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pills aren't always the answer but if they kick things off in the right direction they're worth a try.

Glad to hear you're still with us Smile
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PostPosted: 19:06 - 17 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fisty wrote:

Pills and potions are not a cure all, talking helps A lot.

If you are worried about someone. Talk Listen to them.


FTFY.
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PostPosted: 22:00 - 17 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Fisty wrote:

Pills and potions are not a cure all, talking helps A lot.

If you are worried about someone. Talk Listen to them.


FTFY.


Listen and talk with them.

Not everyone with issues wants to talk, so listening isnt always an option.

Everyone is different.
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PostPosted: 00:42 - 18 May 2019    Post subject: Re: Mental Health Awareness Week 2019 Reply with quote

Bubbs wrote:

Anyway I’ve gone off on a ramble. I think about this shit a lot, which is probably why I’m prone to depression.



Always enjoy reading your posts Bubbs. The content is always thought provoking and your style makes me smile. You definitely have a skill for writing as well as summing up the human condition. Thumbs Up



"It's way too easy to come to the realisation that there's no point to anything."

There are 7 billion people alive today that won't be in 150 years. And in 100k years its possible the planet won't be here.
And why does it matter even if it is?

Procreation / continuation of species. It's really the only thing that drives the world.

But yes, ultimately everything dies (including our planet / solar system) so what is the point? Whatever you want it to be (if you feel you need one, but it can be quite nice to accept there isn't a point, there just is).


Lots of things make people happy, but excitement is the most often associated emotion. But excitement is a short term emotion. Our brains are constantly learning to seek nice emotions, while simultaneously aiming for homeostasis / balance. Doing something that triggers Dopamine, Endorphins, Serotonin or Oxycontin will be learned as positive. However the brain will also learn to mop up back to a homeostatic state.

That first kiss was exciting, 10 years of marriage later perhaps less so. The new bike was thrilling, ridden every day for a month and suddenly the 3 year PCP deal seems a long commitment.

Our brains are often our worst enemy. We learn to strive for happiness, but we're not allowed to have too much of it and must begin the search again. Getting locked in a cycle that our brains simply learned.

That old saying, variety is the spice of life.

Another one. A change is as good as a rest.

But a brain can re-learn (over time) to get its contentment from milder states. Peace.

Another well known phrase, it's the simple pleasures in life. Don't overcomplicate things.


So juggle a handful of activities / aspects that give you enjoyment. But don't focus on one thing for too long, mix it up. Try something new, be open to learning.
At the same time re-train the mind to enjoy peaceful acceptance and gratitude for what is. Not longing or craving for what isn't.

That isn't to say you can't go nuts and indulge in fast cars, fast woman and crack. But don't for long, your brain will again learn to seek out these things and not accept anything less and will punish you for not.
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PostPosted: 00:47 - 18 May 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bubbs wrote:
I agree, biking is a way to force yourself into a mindful state.

The act of riding a motorcycle at speed narrows your attention to what is happening right at that moment, there's no space for the anxiety to exist, and therefore you get to experience the joy of being fully present.

That feeling, the one where you are having the best day ever is what the whole pursuit of meditation/mindfulness is about.

The problem is that meditation is stigmatised as being some airy fairy monk with his legs crossed chanting auuummmm... but you can practise it everywhere. When driving I use every red light as a chance to slow my breathing and bring my attention to my surroundings to stop that mental chatter. It makes a massive difference. I'd reccommend a book by Eckhart Tolle - The Power of Now. I found it fascinating and really helpful with my anxiety.



Thumbs Up Thumbs Up


I would happily splurge a years worth of karma allocation on this one post Smile
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