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Yes, black ppl have it worse than white ppl... Ah but black women have it even worse!
But how about black, female, paraplegic with mental health issues... that's a lesbian? Once you tick all the boxes you basically come back to individuals with their own unique circumstances.
Back on topic.
The difficulty with mental health, from the NHS point of view, is that - unlike a broken leg - there's no easy fix.
Great, so Jeff is agoraphobic and diagnosed with severe social anxiety disorder. Now what? Book him in with a shrink and he's fixed? Nope, he might make progress with either medication, therapy or both but it's hard to quantify how much progress has been made.
WTF do the doctors put on the forms to get "NHS sees 25% improvement, year on year, in mental health outcomes" ?! ____________________ Husqvarna Vitpilen 401, Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter |
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I know a lot of motorcyclists with severe mental health problems* diagnoses. Many more than of my non-motorcyclist friends. Not even a case of being more honest about it because some of them actively deny it or are apparently unaware of it. Like I know more than a few who are clearly well up the Aspbergers spectrum but haven't been "diagnosed". We get a lot of those on here.
I think motorcycling is part of a stress coping mechanism. Riding a motorcycle is by definition a very mindful persuit, if it isn't, you will not remain a motorcyclist for long. Introduces an absolute clarity of movement, function and decision making you would struggle to find elsewhere. Also blocks out everything but your own interior monologue. I can never understand how people manage to ride a bike and listen to music at the same time.
* It's only a "problem" if you let it be? Or in some cases, want it to be? ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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Just musing...
I think riding bikes could be a thing that attracts some with 'mental health issues', especially if they're the kind of issues that make it difficult to interact socially with others. It's a way of being isolated, and yet still able to get out in the world. Social media is another one - there is a disconnect between users that perhaps makes it more accessible for those who would struggle with face-to-face encounters, so we see more of those types here than perhaps we would IRL.
I also think that many people who wouldn't be diagnosed with specific problems could recognise some traits of those that have been diagnosed in themselves, but it's a matter of degree. Mental health disorders, it seems to me, often exaggerate those traits that would ordinarily just define a 'normal' personality (whatever one of those is). We all have our 'quirks'. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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I agree, biking is a way to force yourself into a mindful state. People who are considered "Adrenaline Junkies" usually have mental health issues. They tend to be unbearable unless they're doing something adrenaline pumping.
The act of riding a motorcycle at speed narrows your attention to what is happening right at that moment, there's no space for the anxiety to exist, and therefore you get to experience the joy of being fully present.
That feeling, the one where you are having the best day ever is what the whole pursuit of meditation/mindfulness is about. Cultivating that feeling without the need of doing some extreme sport, and having access to it all the time. It should be taught to everyone from an early age. I'm only just really starting to get into it, but it's helped me a fuck load in my life already.
The problem is that meditation is stigmatised as being some airy fairy monk with his legs crossed chanting auuummmm... but you can practise it everywhere. When driving I use every red light as a chance to slow my breathing and bring my attention to my surroundings to stop that mental chatter. It makes a massive difference. I'd reccommend a book by Eckhart Tolle - The Power of Now. I found it fascinating and really helpful with my anxiety. ____________________ Life begins at the end of your comfort zone. |
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I went along to a local autism group meeting last night. I've never been to anything like this before but wanted to see how it related to me, could it explain stuff like Anxiety.
No surprises to me to see that there was a wide range. Many highly educated, one RAF block with PTSD from Afghanistan, etc. They'd all been diagnosed with autism/aspergers. Many were out of work because they simply couldn't handle the work politics. Me I wish there WAS some work politics here: Everyone stares at their screens all day.
I'd always thought social media was not a good thing if you have MH issues, because Facebook falsely portrays the message that everyone else is having a whale of a time. However, chickenstrip's comment was insightful because a guy with a DPhil said precisely that to me: He uses facebook for meetings and stuff because it's horrible for him face to face.
I learnt that Aspergers is autistic behaviour, but you're aware of it and take preventative measures. For example, you fear socializing so you avoid it. You feel you can't understand people or interact, so you keep quiet to avoid any issues, etc. Autism is the same but when you don't have the concept, hence you will plough on, be manipulated, etc. etc.
Overall, if anything I felt I'd be the former, but didn't really 100% feel that TBH. Learnt a few things though. |
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bhinso wrote: | However, chickenstrip's comment was insightful because a guy with a DPhil said precisely that to me: He uses facebook for meetings and stuff because it's horrible for him face to face. |
I don't know how this is with people who have such problems, but I also think that social media/internet contact gives you time to think about a subject, get your thoughts in order before replying to someone - I certainly often do this, but you can't always do that in face-to-face conversations, especially where such conversations might drift from subject to subject, and I think some people can't handle that kind of wider conversation, or maybe find it too frustrating. A forum like this one where subjects are corralled maybe helps those who experience that kind of frustration. But again, I think it is a problem with various degrees; maybe we all find that a bit, but some find it absolutely prohibiting IRL. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Pills aren't always the answer but if they kick things off in the right direction they're worth a try.
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Posted: 00:42 - 18 May 2019 Post subject: Re: Mental Health Awareness Week 2019 |
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Anyway I’ve gone off on a ramble. I think about this shit a lot, which is probably why I’m prone to depression. |
Always enjoy reading your posts Bubbs. The content is always thought provoking and your style makes me smile. You definitely have a skill for writing as well as summing up the human condition.
"It's way too easy to come to the realisation that there's no point to anything."
There are 7 billion people alive today that won't be in 150 years. And in 100k years its possible the planet won't be here.
And why does it matter even if it is?
Procreation / continuation of species. It's really the only thing that drives the world.
But yes, ultimately everything dies (including our planet / solar system) so what is the point? Whatever you want it to be (if you feel you need one, but it can be quite nice to accept there isn't a point, there just is).
Lots of things make people happy, but excitement is the most often associated emotion. But excitement is a short term emotion. Our brains are constantly learning to seek nice emotions, while simultaneously aiming for homeostasis / balance. Doing something that triggers Dopamine, Endorphins, Serotonin or Oxycontin will be learned as positive. However the brain will also learn to mop up back to a homeostatic state.
That first kiss was exciting, 10 years of marriage later perhaps less so. The new bike was thrilling, ridden every day for a month and suddenly the 3 year PCP deal seems a long commitment.
Our brains are often our worst enemy. We learn to strive for happiness, but we're not allowed to have too much of it and must begin the search again. Getting locked in a cycle that our brains simply learned.
That old saying, variety is the spice of life.
Another one. A change is as good as a rest.
But a brain can re-learn (over time) to get its contentment from milder states. Peace.
Another well known phrase, it's the simple pleasures in life. Don't overcomplicate things.
So juggle a handful of activities / aspects that give you enjoyment. But don't focus on one thing for too long, mix it up. Try something new, be open to learning.
At the same time re-train the mind to enjoy peaceful acceptance and gratitude for what is. Not longing or craving for what isn't.
That isn't to say you can't go nuts and indulge in fast cars, fast woman and crack. But don't for long, your brain will again learn to seek out these things and not accept anything less and will punish you for not. |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 4 years, 353 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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