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Posted: 18:24 - 27 May 2019 Post subject: Did anyone see Anne Widdecombe being interviewed? |
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What's the problem? I'd agree with Huw Edwards that the EU have settled on nothing less than the deal offered to May and are unlikely to renegotiate, but even the fool Corbyn seems to believe further negotiations before October are a possibility, and Labour have absolutely no mandate.
TBP No Deal, then negotiate.
I wonder how long Corbyn can survive. He appears to be on Valium half the time and has barely reacted to the election result. Rather than take a stand he pins his hopes on a General Election win followed by a second referendum to absolve Labour of any blame. Pathetic.
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Posted: 20:55 - 27 May 2019 Post subject: Re: Did anyone see Anne Widdecombe being interviewed? |
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Why not? Sturgeon and Corbyn seem to think they have the authority to deal directly with the EU, why not the party with the most members in the EU parliament, joint only with Merkel’s party?
Try putting your prejudices to one side.
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I wonder what kind of reform she has in mind. Tbh, if it were done right, it could be something worth staying a part of. Major reform needed though, and Britain failed to make them see it. That's why it was time to leave for us. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Not sure which side Labour voters are on though.
Also, if you listen to what Kier Starmer said The only way to break the Brexit impasse is to go back to the public with a choice between a credible leave option and remain.
No WTO deal in the choices, just the Commons half hearted leave or remain. FFS, it should be their deal or WTO, we have already had the leave/remain vote.
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Polarbear wrote: | Not sure which side Labour voters are on though. |
You can't be sure which side any of the voters are on, unless they voted TBP, the only single issue party of note.
It did amuse me when I heard remainers try and conflate all the remain parties into one big number, without providing any stats to show which of their voters were only interested in Brexit and none of their other policies.
In the same way, adding together votes for Lab, Con and TBP gives a nice number for leave, but it doesn't give a true picture.
What is true is that, in six weeks, TBP with their one single issue, have garnered enough support to slaughter every other party - in terms of putting together a popular manifesto, what might they do with the six months it's going to take to organise a GE/second referendum?
Farage for PM?
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If you look at the stats and discount the 'fence-sitting' parties i.e. Labour and Conservative, it comes out about 50/50. No clear direction there then. The Party that will win the next General Election will be the one that persuades those who didn't vote to do so, and it will achieve this by putting forward a coherent argument and perhaps more importantly now a coherent leader. All it will take is for Labour or the Conservatives to achieve this and the Brexit Party will disappear as quickly as it arrived.
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Polarbear wrote: | Not sure which side Labour voters are on though.
Also, if you listen to what Kier Starmer said The only way to break the Brexit impasse is to go back to the public with a choice between a credible leave option and remain.
No WTO deal in the choices, just the Commons half hearted leave or remain. FFS, it should be their deal or WTO, we have already had the leave/remain vote.
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We already voted on this. As much as Remainers like to pretend we were all misled and nobody realised that leaving the EU meant leaving the single market, that's a lie.
We were told quite clearly under Cameron that leaving the EU meant leaving the single market. He used it as a project fear reason not to vote to leave. It backfired.
"Leave the EU" was the option, not "Partially Leave the EU", "Leave the EU in name only" or "Let the EU decide if and how we leave".
The problem we have is a vocal minority generation who think they're entitled to get their way all the time, even if the quieter democratic majority say differently. They won't simply accept the result and have made excuse after excuse why we should keep voting until they get their way, then call it a day. It's about time they were taught a valuable life lesson and learn't to suck it up and get on with life.
If we leave without a deal, we'll suddenly have all the negotiating power for once and the 22 EU countries who have a massive trade surplus with us and will want a trade deal sorting ASAP. On top of this, many Commonwealth countries already have draft agreements in place if we ever do actually leave the EU trading bloc. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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Diggs wrote: | If you look at the stats and discount the 'fence-sitting' parties i.e. Labour and Conservative, it comes out about 50/50. No clear direction there then. The Party that will win the next General Election will be the one that persuades those who didn't vote to do so, and it will achieve this by putting forward a coherent argument and perhaps more importantly now a coherent leader. All it will take is for Labour or the Conservatives to achieve this and the Brexit Party will disappear as quickly as it arrived.
Trouble is, I don't see that leader amongst the current crop on either side. |
No, it will be the party with the most votes. If of course it's not a remain party though, snowlflake will say that nobody knew what they were voting for and demand a"peoples vote" until they get the result they want. With polls showing so much of a victory for TBP, a lot of their voters seem not to have bothered to vote either as it was a done deal. There was no question that they weren't going to win by quite a margin on all polls.
I seriously think LibDem and Green increases was mainly people not wanting to vote for the top two parties, so using the vote in a non offensive way rather than wasting it. I'm not sure these people were out and out remainers or they could have voted Change UK. Maybe this was the tactical voting scam campaign making an impact from Snowflake HQ?. TBP was the vote for people disillusioned at the way almost all of parliament have ignored them over the referendum result. As the party currently campaigning on one issue, they have pretty much made the other party fighting the other corner, Change UK, a laughing stock.
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Riejufixing wrote: | it's a much greater pity that people don't understand the leaving process itself, as shown abundantly both in this thread and in the media generally. |
Coming from you, that's hilarious!
You think the agreement May is trying to push for Junker is us actually leaving the EU, not just paying £38BN up front on the promise they'll sit down over the following 2 years and agree a deal on the process and future relationship of us actually leaving. If they fail to reach agreement after this period, they can tie us into the EU as a vassal state with no power or say and carry on charging us membership. Hardly leaving is it?
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The EU have made it quite clear they don't want a "departure mechanism" on anything but the most favourable terms to them. They are being foolish, especially considering the ever-growing anti-EU sentiment in Europe as a whole.
Deals are something quite separate to any withdrawal agreement. A WA of some kind would have been preferable to limit damage on both sides, but failing that (and it has failed), the so-called "no deal" option is all that is left. It's far from ideal, but we don't live in an ideal world.
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chickenstrip YFPOS wrote: | The EU have made it quite clear they don't want a "departure mechanism" on anything but the most favourable terms to them.
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And our Remain MP's removing the threat of leaving without a deal, gives the EU complete control over pushing this agreement as all or nothing, even though they scripted it as a complete stitch up to the UK. It was a deliberate derailment from our Remain establishment.
We've created this problem. If we'd had anyone in parliament with an ounce of common sense or negotiating skills, we'd have left the option of leaving with no deal on the table in order to get this ridiculous EU scripted agreement, a bit more favourable to us. As it is, all the time they know we won't leave without a deal, they have no reason to offer anything but their crazy demands. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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Posted: 12:29 - 28 May 2019 Post subject: Re: Did anyone see Anne Widdecombe being interviewed? |
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Polarbear wrote: | Diggs wrote: | If you look at the stats and discount the 'fence-sitting' parties i.e. Labour and Conservative, it comes out about 50/50. No clear direction there then. The Party that will win the next General Election will be the one that persuades those who didn't vote to do so, and it will achieve this by putting forward a coherent argument and perhaps more importantly now a coherent leader. All it will take is for Labour or the Conservatives to achieve this and the Brexit Party will disappear as quickly as it arrived.
Trouble is, I don't see that leader amongst the current crop on either side. |
No it won't. It will only disappear when we have left the EU with either a very generous deal (not going to happen) or a WTO deal.
There are enough people angry at what has happened to make it a big enough force to influence the major partys even if it doesn't get anywhere near them in numbers.
Unlike Lib Dems who will disappear because while remainers are voting for them to fight the Brexit vote, not many want them to have a look in power wise so will desert them back to their normal Labour or Tory vote. |
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The last post was made 4 years, 355 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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