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They're a great starter bike. There's nothing scary about them. Linear power delivery, light, nimble. Will seem
superfast compared to your 125 but I'd bet there's not much in it weight wise between the two. I ride it's bigger
and far scarier brother and even that is only 40 odd kilos heavier than my 125 plastic fantastic scooter. Treat the
clutch like any other clutch, all bikes will wheelie or loop if you just chuck it out suddenly. Feel free to hustle it round
corners, they are made for that and have loads of grip. The shock is very easy to stiffen if needed with the preload adjuster.
Not that any of that will be an issue for training rides. You'll be taught how to drag the back brake for slow stuff as part
of your training, but you've been riding your 125 a while so I doubt it will faze you much.
Here's someone who can ride one throwing it into bend after bend.
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Yeah, I'm hoping that having a heavish lumbering 125 that the MT07 will feel like a refreshing change 
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Yeah just checked, 181kg wet weight on the 07. My 09 is 188kg.
Dry weight of yours is 134kg. probably rising to 145kg ish with a full tank going on a weight of 6lbs per gallon of fuel
and a capacity of just under 4 gallons, plus whatever oil it has in it. I don't think you'll notice much extra weight at all tbh.
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Let us know what you think on Monday.
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Well that was interesting! If the MT07 is a finely balanced Katana my faux-cruiser is a toy rubber mallet! I can now appreciate I am at "moron level" riding a 125 
Whereas my Superlight has a light clutch and throttle and heavy shift and rear brake the MT07 is completely reversed. I must say the clutch on the bike I was riding was excellent: heavy but very precise However at the same time I found it hard work maintaining the throttle around ~2k.
After about 15mins I had a go at snaking round some cones which turned out to be a lot easier than I thought it would be. Could only get it into 2nd gear on the test track really but shifting up and down was fine.
All-in-all a humbling experience. 10/10 would be humbled again 
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Not altogether surprised - we've all been there.
I do get it, about the cruiser thing. When I was riding on a CBT, the dream for me was a Yamaha SR125. Really. I thought everything about that bike just did it for me and it sort of saved face in a way in which a scooter or a CG never could.  Never rode one, though.
Later I came to realise that the general public really likes the look of cruisers. Not sure why that is, but who cares. The design means they don't handle so well either slowly or at speed. Some people need one because they're getting older and their joints aren't what they used to be, but they still want to ride. Others because its fits an image to which they aspire, or because their buddies ride one. That's fine, but generally, people seem to settle on one after their riding career has peaked, and is set in a decline. This generally (but not always) happens after having ridden many other types of bike. There is also a class of people who like the idea of owning a cruiser, and so they buy one but they don't ride it - it lives in their garage all the time. No exaggeration - this is the biggest cruiser group.
As you have now found out, a bigger bike is easier to hustle around a few cones because of the stability thing, and the upright feet-under-you format makes it easier to maneuvre a bike because it's simply a better design. Not to mention that the first time you experience that power on a big bike, winding it on up to just 60mph, is sheer exhilaration. We know.
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The design means they don't handle so well either slowly or at speed. Some people need one because they're getting older and their joints aren't what they used to be, but they still want to ride. Others because its fits an image to which they aspire, or because their buddies ride one. That's fine, but generally, people seem to settle on one after their riding career has peaked, and is set in a decline. This generally (but not always) happens after having ridden many other types of bike. There is also a class of people who like the idea of owning a cruiser, and so they buy one but they don't ride it - it lives in their garage all the time. No exaggeration - this is the biggest cruiser group.
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Really, don't handle well, granted, some can be a bit limited on ground clearance, but, as for handling, not really sure what you're getting at there, oh well.. Perhaps some people own cruisers because they like them, just a thought. I will say, for the most part they aren't great for filtering, mainly due to the width of the handlebars, but they can be very comfortable, the sort of comfortable that means you can ride 500 miles plus a day, day after day.
I've owned a variety of cruisers, amongst other bikes, I really did like my VTX1300, stepson now has 1, and, I like my ST7. I do tend to use the ST7 more as a toy though. Other main bikes recently have been CF650TR, great for motorway commuting in any weather, Mash 400, recently replaced by RE Interceptor, for the majority of riding whether it be for leisure, shopping or commuting, and, the ST7 for when I'm feeling lazy.
Has nothing to do with age, have never been interested in sports bikes etc. As I have gotten older, I have tended to drop down the bhp a little, however, having said that, any of my bikes are perfectly capable of being ridden fast enough to lose my license.
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Really, don't handle well, granted, some can be a bit limited on ground clearance, but, as for handling, not really sure what you're getting at there, oh well.. |
Handling: the ability to maneuvre around turns at various speeds. Cruisers have to compromise on handling or else they won't look like cruisers at all. You don't have to be a speed demon to benefit from upright bikes' handling. For example, bike schools generally don't use cruisers because upright bikes will go around the cones for Mod 1 easier.
An example of a handling feature: swingarm design and angle relative to the ground affects how the bike behaves (rake and trail) when throttle is applied through a turn. Some top-of-the-line cruisers (Triumph or Ducati) will compensate for this by having a non-cruiserish swingarm and monoshock, but this isn't commonplace.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7GJMH0DtXg
Another example: chassis stiffness. A traditional tubular steel frame chassis is inferior to more modern chassis type, such as box-section (a major 1980s innovation in sports bikes), trellis frame (traditionally on Ducatis, but now found in many types of bike), engine as stressed member, etc. OK, the Ducati Diavel has a trellis frame, but other cruisers compromise on frame design to achieve the look.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id7UZ3iws40
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Competition generated several forms of bike style you can choose today. Sports bikes were forged in the heat of competition but they're not the only ones. Also enduro, cross-country, trials bikes, etc. These types of bikes were not invented based on how they looked or how they made people feel. They were invented to do a job.
Just looking at sports bikes - they will always be the best-handling-at-speed bikes you can buy, by a mile. This is not only because of their engines but because of their frame and chassis design, tyres, rake and trail, shocks, everything... I saw a video of one of Barry Sheene's old RG500s the other day. You know what it had? Steel tubular cradle chassis, twin rear shocks, rectangular-section swingarm. Not a single sports bike you can buy today has these inferior design features, because they lose races against more modern designs. Cruiser development isn't based on competition - you can still get all of those old-hat inferior design features in a brand-new cruiser today.
I like to chuck around old bikes, less powerful bikes that let you open the throttle wide and take a corner without punishing you unduly for being jerky or doing stupid things. It's a lot of fun. However, my criterion of having "fun" on a hilly windy road is not a competition characteristic and doesn't mean my bikes are as good as anything out there. I know a couple of roads where there is a downhill windy section and plenty of traction - best I could take that section on any bike is about 40-50mph and you could have fun on it with just a C90. Only on that section, mind, so it's horses for courses. |
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Competition generated several forms of bike style you can choose today. Sports bikes were forged in the heat of competition but they're not the only ones. Also enduro, cross-country, trials bikes, etc. These types of bikes were not invented based on how they looked or how they made people feel. They were invented to do a job.
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And none of those above type of bike interest me in the slightest, which is good, be boring if we all liked the same. I think forged in the heat of competition is a tad ham dram Makes them sound like Thor's hammer .
I get what you mean, however, even faired bikes, tried with a Diversion, which was awful, and the CF650TR, which is good at what it is, with great weather protection to boot, however, I've come to the conclusion, faired bikes just aren't for me. Too much effort to take everything off when it comes to servicing time.
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Yes, very light taps of the feet on the MT07. I'm used to... well not stamping exactly but at least robustly engaging the gear or brake on the Superlight
I'm sure there are better bikes out there but for the weight, balance and precision I'd love to know if there's a better bike for a n00b to learn on.
Anyhoo, looking forward to the next training session!
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