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Posted: 09:21 - 18 Jun 2019 Post subject: |
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Pjay joining the ranks of "people who clearly know fuck all about science or the scientific method", right up there with mpd.
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Islander wrote: | Pjay wrote: |
Yeah it's now called climate change instead of global warming when the polar ice caps started getting bigger.
It's all bollocks and you are lapping it up.
The same scientists doing the tests are the ones with their hands out to continue to do the tests. It's obvious they are going to use whatever stats they can to bolster their case that they need more money.
The fact remains that there are cycles and there is nothing we or anyone can do to stop them, regardless of what side of the fence you sit on about climate change. |
You misunderstand me. I'm not bothered whether you believe the emphatically non-empirical denialist stuff or not. If you'd bothered to read what I said, I acknowledged the existence of Milankovitch cycles - they've never been in question. They're caused by the eccentricity, axial tilt and precession and have recognised periodicities of 100,000y, 41,000y, and 23,000y respectively. They don't account however, for the significant change in the rate of change of the global mean surface temperature. That's a hard fact reflected in the data that's been gathered.
By the way, the ice caps aren't growing - quite the opposite. There's also significant loss of glacier mass globally.
Suit yourself what you believe though. |
The juxtaposition between smart-person talk and dumb-person-denial talk here is striking. |
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Posted: 09:41 - 18 Jun 2019 Post subject: |
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https://clivebest.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/UKTemps.png
Are you telling me, that we should all be worried?
It looks like nothing much is happening.
You can get all the stats you want, but if you look over a long enough timeline, you will see allsorts of peaks and troughs.
That low in 1740 for example, was that all because of our oil consumption or CO2 emissions? If it happened next year, what do you suppose the reason would be from the climate brigade?
The earth is heating up and has been since the end of the last ice age. It will reach a peak and then start to cool into another ice age. This is fact and it will happen. ____________________ struan80 - I'll go first - satisfied tick 1 |
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Pjay wrote: | Islander wrote: |
I'm not misunderstanding anything but you clearly are. Again from that article:
"The negative feedback of increasing rate of wintertime sea ice growth will help slow down the overall decline in Arctic sea ice. However, the seemingly inevitable ice-free Arctic will win out in the end, adds NASA."[url]
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Well quite, thats because the earth is natrually heating.
Here's another projection for the future:
Once the earth reaches its temperature peak, the temps will cool and the ice caps will reform until most of the globe is covered in ice.
Do you see how making comments on things can be done simply to make either side right?
The ice caps are growing, yet they will disappear, I agree with that. But they are growing. |
Naturally heating? Not really, the GMST is affected by greenhouse gas emissions and the rate of change is accelerating. If this were due to natural emissions then yes, it could be described as natural but it's not. The only natural heating is that from solar energy and internally, from radioactive decay of Th232, K40 and U235.
Humanity has changed the carbon cycle significantly by releasing the carbon bound up in rocks over 300ma during the carboniferous in the form of fossil fuels.
You know what the biggest mistake was there? Not that the resources were removed for use, but the fact that we've wasted them by effectively setting fire to them in one way or another (which also had the somewhat unwanted side effect of increasing atmospheric CO2). It takes huge amounts of energy to form long chain organic molecules (carbon based) that are valuable feedstock for thousands of useful products from medicines to building materials. We squandered that resource and continue to do so.
Finally, overall, there's less sea ice each year that passes - that doesn't equate to growth. |
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Islander wrote: | I have a degree in geology. I understand the planetary cycles perfectly well along with stadials, glacials, interstadials and interglacials.
I'll say it again, it's the changing rate of change that is the problem here, not natural cycles caused by insolation. |
I dont care if you were a professor in Geology, you don't get to skirt around the point I'm making, by making new ones up and arguing with me about those.
I have stated the earth is warming naturally as part of it's cycle. You said it isn't, I disagree.
The rate isnt that much as I have shown, but you are choosing to ignore verifiable data.
Why hasn't anyone commented on that graph? It's easily verified, it shows that we have experienced worse and sharper rises and falls, it also shows everything is pretty much normal and as expected naturally. Now of course you can take a snapshot of the last decade and point to it being bad, but why not look at historical data that shows it happening hundreds of years ago with a recovery, all when there wasn't a this industrial revolution?
And just because you happen to have a degree in Geology, doesnt mean you get a pass on being right in every instance involving climate change. It doesn't work like that. Having a degree just means youve been assessed, that doesnt mean you are smarter than someone that hasn't been tested. ____________________ struan80 - I'll go first - satisfied tick 1 |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 5 years, 137 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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