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PostPosted: 17:02 - 14 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes and you still don't seem to understand that population density bares no relevance on the spread of MPs across the country.

Do you think parliament has a great big stadium where 60 million people are supposed to go and watch every week? If so, yes it would be best to have it in London. But no, that's not how it works. Have a look again at that map I just showed you. Take all the time you need. Hint: Large bold font won't help.
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PostPosted: 17:24 - 14 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't be so daft. You think every MP is assigned a hectic government minister role that requires them to be in London every other week? Seriously?

Their job is to represent their constituents, in the constituency they were voted.

And MI5?? Laughing

Shifting parliament elsewhere would not mean that the entire secret or civil service would have to go too.
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PostPosted: 01:44 - 15 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thinking

Once again proving your ten-year-old level of comprehension skills.

MPs need to be in parliament regularly. Parliament does not need to be in London.

MPs do not need to be rubbing shoulders with MI5, MI6 and the civil service. Those can all stay in London for all I care.

This is not hard to understand.
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PostPosted: 14:50 - 15 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-peasy...

If you centralise things: more efficient with less travel but single point of failure.

If you distribute things: less efficient with more travel but difficult to destroy the system.

Like it or not dropping a nuke on London pretty much cripples the whole of the UK but spreading everything out just slows things down. TBH with a good communications system this should be less of a problem.

The Roman Empire lasted over a thousand years just with men on horseback relaying messages. Think of what they could have done with broadband! Or even the "Clacks" from the Discworld novels Smile
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PostPosted: 14:53 - 15 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
Lord Percy wrote:

MPs need to be in parliament regularly.


Lord Percy wrote:
Don't be so daft. You think every MP is assigned a hectic government minister role that requires them to be in London every other week? Seriously?


Rolling Eyes


So you think Parliament = London

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PostPosted: 16:18 - 15 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

London you div, and the entire topic of conversation is the fact that it could and should be moved away from there.

You are fantastically unintelligent.
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PostPosted: 14:05 - 17 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

HardlyDavidson wrote:
Easy-peasy...

If you centralise things: more efficient with less travel but single point of failure.

If you distribute things: less efficient with more travel but difficult to destroy the system.

Like it or not dropping a nuke on London pretty much cripples the whole of the UK but spreading everything out just slows things down. TBH with a good communications system this should be less of a problem.

The Roman Empire lasted over a thousand years just with men on horseback relaying messages. Think of what they could have done with broadband! Or even the "Clacks" from the Discworld novels Smile


Moving Parliament and Government north is not just an issue of practicalities. It would have a massive positive psychological effect. It would cost a fortune no doubt but it would bring balance into society and reduce division.
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PostPosted: 14:06 - 17 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Percy wrote:
London you div, and the entire topic of conversation is the fact that it could and should be moved away from there.

You are fantastically unintelligent.


Just give up. I put him on ignore years ago.
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PostPosted: 14:25 - 17 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

We're practically living in the equivalent of an Ancient Greek city state. One main city (London) with a few surrounding hovels in the countryside (e.g Liverpool.)
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PostPosted: 15:16 - 17 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

My Großmeisterplan is for Aberdeen and Shire to cecede from Scotland and establish an independent City State. Screw Edinburgh and Glasgow.
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PostPosted: 02:10 - 18 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ribenapigeon wrote:
HardlyDavidson wrote:
Easy-peasy...

If you centralise things: more efficient with less travel but single point of failure.

If you distribute things: less efficient with more travel but difficult to destroy the system.

Like it or not dropping a nuke on London pretty much cripples the whole of the UK but spreading everything out just slows things down. TBH with a good communications system this should be less of a problem.

The Roman Empire lasted over a thousand years just with men on horseback relaying messages. Think of what they could have done with broadband! Or even the "Clacks" from the Discworld novels Smile


Moving Parliament and Government north is not just an issue of practicalities. It would have a massive positive psychological effect. It would cost a fortune no doubt but it would bring balance into society and reduce division.


The institutions around Parliament need to move. So the departments yes, but also lobbyists and think tanks and media. It could all be spread around the country. Maybe we could have two Parliaments, then the Lords and Commons switch over every year.

Also the problem with moving the Parliament to the population weighted centre is that puts it about 20 miles north of Oxford. That will really set people in the north off Laughing

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We're practically living in the equivalent of an Ancient Greek city state. One main city (London) with a few surrounding hovels in the countryside (e.g Liverpool.)


London is only about 15% of the population.
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PostPosted: 00:13 - 19 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Given the UK government could be moved to anywhere in the UK if we teally wanted to put the cat amongst the pigeons how about moving it to................. Glasgow! Laughing
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PostPosted: 03:19 - 19 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
Im-a-Ridah wrote:

London is only about 15% of the population.


According to the last census 8 years ago, which didn't count illegal immigrants nor "visitors" from the EU.

You can add on a few million from that category. If Grenfell was any indication, illegal immigration and visa overstays account for a large proportion of the population of Londonistan.


if we include illegals and off-the-book categories its really anyone's guess. I honestly can't see it being less than 10 mil. I'm surprised there aren't any other estimates based on food, fuel usage etc like there are with the national population. I'd guess nation population is about 70 mil.
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PostPosted: 09:48 - 19 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im-a-Ridah wrote:
mpd72 wrote:


According to the last census 8 years ago, which didn't count illegal immigrants nor "visitors" from the EU.

You can add on a few million from that category. If Grenfell was any indication, illegal immigration and visa overstays account for a large proportion of the population of Londonistan.


if we include illegals and off-the-book categories its really anyone's guess. I honestly can't see it being less than 10 mil. I'm surprised there aren't any other estimates based on food, fuel usage etc like there are with the national population. I'd guess nation population is about 70 mil.


More like 80 million. Shocked

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/comment/city-eye-facts-on-a-plate-our-population-is-at-least-77-million-5328454.html
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PostPosted: 14:02 - 19 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ribenapigeon wrote:
Given the UK government could be moved to anywhere in the UK if we teally wanted to put the cat amongst the pigeons how about moving it to................. Glasgow! Laughing


Because they'll be fcuking off soon to happy unicorn independence land, where they'll receive a regular Rogering by the EU Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 14:12 - 19 Jun 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Because they'll be fcuking off soon to happy unicorn independence land, where they'll receive a regular Rogering by the EU Thumbs Up


Ah, but could they? If Scotland was the seat of the UK government they could hardly cecede from it as then that would be like a state trying to split from itself. It would be great fun watching the SNP getting screwed up over it all. It would be flying cats in a room full of clawed and sharp toothed pigeons. Blood guts feathers and furr.
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