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Posted: 16:34 - 08 Jun 2019 Post subject: Re: gt550 |
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bikenut wrote: | that does not sound good jay as if summut is thumping, can thumping felt on the head??
You replaced rings, was the piston removed from the rod and fitted backwards?? the crowns are clearly marked.
How far did you strip the engine down??
Some times a bad clutch basket and out of balance carbs can be noisy.
You know of the bench ball bearing method of basic carb balancing, that balancing on the BENCH! balancing the opening of the throttle butterflies so they all open at the same time and the same amount.
Also a float /fuel level check can be done on the bench prior to fitting the carbs to the engine.
Dont know what year your engine is but cam change droop and timing is important as well as cam chain adjuster fitting, you have the manual?
check in the manual for reassembly of cams and cam chain tensioning, due to the rubber half moon slipper in the cam cover, and the proper cam positioning, droop, number of links droop, then fitting the cam cover and finally the tensioner and unloading/tensioning it.
There is a thump/knock sound that is coming from the engine which is not good ! |
I’ve had another read through the manual and I’m fairly certain I’ve got everything together correctly, nothing backwards, tensioner fitted right etc. I don’t think the noise is coming from the exhaust or the clutch basket but i can’t pinpoint where it’s coming from. I intended on checking the float level on the bike like the manual suggests so I have something to hold the carbs up and level but then I got the carbs on, started it to make sure evething had gone together right and noticed the sound and now I’m here.
I didn’t see anything about a factory setting for the adjustment of the carb butterflies in the manual, they seemed to be functioning evenly so I stuck them on to see how it run and intended to take it from there.
The sound is a bit like a spoon tapping a dinner plate, I placed my hand on different places but I just can’t pinpoint it.
Where should I go from here ? |
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I would be wary of trying to diagnose too much from noises in the video. It does sound nasty in the video, but it's an aircooled bike, in a garage, with the sound caught by a phone. I don't know if it sounds like that in real life, or if the phone is amplifying the engine noises.
As a general rule of thumb for Jay, the engine should not be noisier than the exhaust.
The fact it is running means you haven't done something like put the cams in 180 degrees out, or have the camchain in totally the wrong place. It wouldn't be running it if was out by more than a tooth.
If it is clutch basket rattle, that normally goes away when the carbs are balanced.
So, yet again, rule out the basics first. Carbs all set the same, according the manual, and balanced. Carb balancing port covers all in place. Exhaust gaskets good. Valve clearance set properly. |
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Robby wrote: | I would be wary of trying to diagnose too much from noises in the video. It does sound nasty in the video, but it's an aircooled bike, in a garage, with the sound caught by a phone. I don't know if it sounds like that in real life, or if the phone is amplifying the engine noises.
As a general rule of thumb for Jay, the engine should not be noisier than the exhaust.
The fact it is running means you haven't done something like put the cams in 180 degrees out, or have the camchain in totally the wrong place. It wouldn't be running it if was out by more than a tooth.
If it is clutch basket rattle, that normally goes away when the carbs are balanced.
So, yet again, rule out the basics first. Carbs all set the same, according the manual, and balanced. Carb balancing port covers all in place. Exhaust gaskets good. Valve clearance set properly. |
I’m gonna get some gaskets and a carb balancer next week and take it from there. Valve clearances are spot on. It’s definitely a loud noise. |
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Posted: 10:07 - 10 Jun 2019 Post subject: gt550 |
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to prevent hair loss, take the carbs off and check the rubber stubs and fitting faces.
Bench test float levels and fuel hieghts.
You will need a fuel tank of some sorts say 1 litre capacity and some clear tubing.
Make a bracket using the carbs bottom large screws that screw the cross bar to the carbs. This bracket will allow the carbs to be vice mounted ( via the bracket ) as a third hand keeping the carbs level etc.
Once plumbed in the carbs drain stubs can be used to "see" fuel level in each carb float bowl by arranging the clear pipes to stick up above the tops of the carbs, and with the drain screws slightly open, the level of fuel in each carb fl;aot bowl can be seen and compared with reference to each other and the carb float bowl to carb body gasket line, sound complex but its simple. There is a fuel level quoted in the manual that i will look up for you, for the 750 model.
bench throttle butterfly balancing. Using the bracket again, with the carbs angled back somewhat ( so the ball bearinsg used rests against the closed butterflyies ) .
Arrange so that each dash pot piston ( thats the piston attached to the rubber diaphragm ) is raised and place a ball bearing down each venturi so that the ball rests against the closed butterflies.
Open the bitterflies via the cable cam slowly and look/listen to the balls falling thru past the opening butterfly, did they all drop thru at the same time??
If not ( probably the case if the carbs where seperated/worn/fiddled with ) then adjust so that they do.
Look at the adjustment system. From memory the left air are balanced to each other, then the right pair to each other, then the pairs to each other. Look between the carbs and see the joining system and the adjusting screws and lock nuts.
Again this sounds complex but isnt, just time consuming and fiddly.
When done, refit carbs to engine, prime and start engine, smoother now??
For final fine tuning then use the vaccum gauges remembering you get what you pay for.
You could make your own manometers, aquarium bits and bobs are useful.
Bench test and set first else expect hair loss and remember fire risks.
I suspect the engine may have to come apart again. With plugs out and turning engine over by hand in the correct direction of rotation, any tight spots/clicks etc..???? ____________________ nuts about bikes |
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Posted: 18:55 - 11 Jun 2019 Post subject: Re: gt550 |
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bikenut wrote: | to prevent hair loss, take the carbs off and check the rubber stubs and fitting faces.
Bench test float levels and fuel hieghts.
You will need a fuel tank of some sorts say 1 litre capacity and some clear tubing.
Make a bracket using the carbs bottom large screws that screw the cross bar to the carbs. This bracket will allow the carbs to be vice mounted ( via the bracket ) as a third hand keeping the carbs level etc.
Once plumbed in the carbs drain stubs can be used to "see" fuel level in each carb float bowl by arranging the clear pipes to stick up above the tops of the carbs, and with the drain screws slightly open, the level of fuel in each carb fl;aot bowl can be seen and compared with reference to each other and the carb float bowl to carb body gasket line, sound complex but its simple. There is a fuel level quoted in the manual that i will look up for you, for the 750 model.
bench throttle butterfly balancing. Using the bracket again, with the carbs angled back somewhat ( so the ball bearinsg used rests against the closed butterflyies ) .
Arrange so that each dash pot piston ( thats the piston attached to the rubber diaphragm ) is raised and place a ball bearing down each venturi so that the ball rests against the closed butterflies.
Open the bitterflies via the cable cam slowly and look/listen to the balls falling thru past the opening butterfly, did they all drop thru at the same time??
If not ( probably the case if the carbs where seperated/worn/fiddled with ) then adjust so that they do.
Look at the adjustment system. From memory the left air are balanced to each other, then the right pair to each other, then the pairs to each other. Look between the carbs and see the joining system and the adjusting screws and lock nuts.
Again this sounds complex but isnt, just time consuming and fiddly.
When done, refit carbs to engine, prime and start engine, smoother now??
For final fine tuning then use the vaccum gauges remembering you get what you pay for.
You could make your own manometers, aquarium bits and bobs are useful.
Bench test and set first else expect hair loss and remember fire risks.
I suspect the engine may have to come apart again. With plugs out and turning engine over by hand in the correct direction of rotation, any tight spots/clicks etc..???? |
Alrighty, cheers.
I’m gonna move on to that stuff next.
Nothing unusual, no noises when I turn it over with the plugs out using the starter or by hand.
I fitted the new exhaust gaskets, this made no difference |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 4 years, 301 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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