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PostPosted: 17:42 - 16 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Shouldn't the BBC be applauded for giving us an uncomfortable truth?


Ha! Ha! Ha! Priceless! Laughing

Yeah, like refusing to mention the M word when talking about Pakistani Muslim child sex grooming gangs, or the I word when covering terrorism.

Isn't is it odd that the truth is only uncomfortable for Al Beeb if it doesn't fit with pushing their pro immigrant, pro EU, pro LBGTQIABMI agenda?


So what you are saying is that the organisation you criticise for not telling uncomfortable truths, shouldn't do so in this instance because the truth relates to a man tortured by the State?
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Well, pulling up a BBC list of 15 great black Britons. It is not a particularly impressive list if these are the greatest blacks our country has produced.

https://www.bbc.com/timelines/zsdtp39

Of that list I have heard of Joan Armatrading (obviously), Fanny Eaton and Ira Aldridge (who was meant to be a brilliant Shakespearian actor).

However, the one that stands out for me is Mary Seacole and I put her forward for notoriety on a note Cool , with Ira Aldridge a creditable 2nd.

Anyone who suggests Lenny Henry should be forced to watch 27 reruns of him doing Comic relief gags. You'll soon change your mind. He's as funny as a pimple on your bum.
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PostPosted: 23:23 - 16 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I agree with you here Polarbear. I understand that the BAME are screaming for a black person to be on a bank note and I get where they are coming from.

The problem is, and I'm going to sound horribly racist here, but I can't think of any black person in this country who has done the same level of service as the likes of Shakespeare, Newton, Churchill, Turing, etc.

I'm open to suggestions from the forum Thumbs Up
Daley Thompson is a good shout. I was thinking Lewis Hamilton, Frank Bruno, Stormzy, someone from Genfell...

Jeez this is hard Sad


How about the contribution to the expansion of the british economy by all those African slaves? Almost surreal in its irony if they were to get put on a bank note but probably more profound than perhaps any other choice.
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PostPosted: 23:58 - 16 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Well, pulling up a BBC list of 15 great black Britons. It is not a particularly impressive list if these are the greatest blacks our country has produced.

https://www.bbc.com/timelines/zsdtp39

Of that list I have heard of Joan Armatrading (obviously), Fanny Eaton and Ira Aldridge (who was meant to be a brilliant Shakespearian actor).

However, the one that stands out for me is Mary Seacole and I put her forward for notoriety on a note Cool , with Ira Aldridge a creditable 2nd.

Anyone who suggests Lenny Henry should be forced to watch 27 reruns of him doing Comic relief gags. You'll soon change your mind. He's as funny as a pimple on your bum.


And here's my problem - my definition of nationality is not where you were naturalised, or where you rocked up after you gained your freedom/escaped oppression, or especially where you and your parents emigrated to, it's where you were born.

In my case, I was born in London, England - I have lived in various counties and I intend to end my days in foreign and warmer climes, but I will always be generally English and specifically a Londoner, no matter what passport I'm entitled to hold.

I've only skimmed that list, but is it three or four that were actually born here, so are entitled to properly call themselves a product of Briton?
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PostPosted: 00:42 - 17 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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And here's my problem - my definition of nationality is not where you were naturalised, or where you rocked up after you gained your freedom/escaped oppression, or especially where you and your parents emigrated to, it's where you were born.

In my case, I was born in London, England - I have lived in various counties and I intend to end my days in foreign and warmer climes, but I will always be generally English and specifically a Londoner, no matter what passport I'm entitled to hold.

I've only skimmed that list, but is it three or four that were actually born here, so are entitled to properly call themselves a product of Briton?


Very true, in fact half of those as far as I can see only visited Britain, it doesn't say they even took British nationality.
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PostPosted: 00:59 - 17 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
I wonder how many who made a significant contribution to any countrys history were actually of the country in questions nationality?
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PostPosted: 09:52 - 17 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Anyone who suggests Lenny Henry should be forced to watch 27 reruns of him doing Comic relief gags. You'll soon change your mind. He's as funny as a pimple on your bum.


I was joking....

How about Laurie Cunningham?

I don't know anything about Fanny Eaton, but she must get some votes for the name alone Laughing Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: 10:14 - 17 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
mpd72 wrote:
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So what you are saying is that the organisation you criticise for not telling uncomfortable truths, shouldn't do so in this instance because the truth relates to a man tortured by the State?


Do you need someone to explain "agenda" to you?


No. I understand your point. I just don't think it underlies everything the BBC does, and where it does exist I don't think the consequences are as dangerous for the moral fibre of British society and culture as you do. Take EastEnders or Casualty for example - two very popular programmes containing a mix of characters to reflect London and staff employed within the Health Service. Just because some of them aren't white heterosexuals doesn't mean the world is coming to an end...

I do agree that black people are over-represented in adverts on commercial channels, but this is a fashion thing rather than racial indoctrination.
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PostPosted: 12:11 - 17 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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As he was 40 at the time of his “affair” with a 19 year old boy, was it the age of the boy that was more the problem?

Until recently the gay age of consent was 21 wasn’t it?

It all seems a bit silly though, most people wouldn’t even know if his arrest for his gay relationship if the virtue signallers didn’t have to make such a fuss of it.
This sums up modern gay activists and virtue signallers. They want to be treated the same, but spend all their effort forcing the idea that they’re somehow different down our throats at every opportunity.

“I want equality, I want to be treated like everyone else”

“Oo look at me at Gay Pride, i’m so gay!”.


You really are a very broken individual.

Everything for you, and I mean everything, is blinkered by a desire to throw cynicism and hatred towards all of the most typical topics that bigots like you think are worth hating. Gays, blacks, Muslims, others, lefties, jobless, students. You're pitifully transparent.
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PostPosted: 12:15 - 17 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I do agree that black people are over-represented in adverts on commercial channels, but this is a fashion thing rather than racial indoctrination.


Mixed race families are/were very popular as well. Black dad and white mum. Funnily enough not so much the other way round. I wonder why?
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PostPosted: 12:32 - 17 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Polarbear wrote:
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I do agree that black people are over-represented in adverts on commercial channels, but this is a fashion thing rather than racial indoctrination.


Mixed race families are/were very popular as well. Black dad and white mum. Funnily enough not so much the other way round. I wonder why?


Again, a fashion thing. Perhaps not as many black women end up with white blokes, so it wouldn't appear as 'comfortable' for the target audience.
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PostPosted: 13:00 - 17 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Polarbear wrote:
Well, pulling up a BBC list of 15 great black Britons. It is not a particularly impressive list if these are the greatest blacks our country has produced.

https://www.bbc.com/timelines/zsdtp39


Out of all of those the only one I'd heard of was Wiley
"Wiley – aka Richard Kylea Cowie – is widely considered the Godfather of grime"
So rather than going for Stormzy we could go back to the HQ of grime.

It's not good I've not heard of any the others. Especially "Beachy Head Lady". I need some diversity trading. Sad
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PostPosted: 13:01 - 17 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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How about the contribution to the expansion of the british economy by all those African slaves? Almost surreal in its irony if they were to get put on a bank note but probably more profound than perhaps any other choice.


Brits weren't the only people to take slaves. How about some of the Islamic countries put one of all the slaves they took on their bank notes?
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PostPosted: 15:06 - 17 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
bhinso wrote:
Ribenapigeon wrote:
How about the contribution to the expansion of the british economy by all those African slaves? Almost surreal in its irony if they were to get put on a bank note but probably more profound than perhaps any other choice.


Brits weren't the only people to take slaves. How about some of the Islamic countries put one of all the slaves they took on their bank notes?


Another convenient lie: the British never have had slaves unless you could the serfs in feudal times. British colonies on the other hand, rife with it but there's an example of giving people some limited autonomy to run their affairs and them abusing it.

But hey, let's just skate over facts for a good story! Things like who put an end to the international slave trade, for example.
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PostPosted: 10:37 - 18 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/12/british-history-slavery-buried-scale-revealed

Of course Brits owned slaves. All those merchants will certainly have regarded their ships human cargo as a possession.

The history if slavery us one of the mist apoalling aspects of human behaviour. Its undeniable a massive part of our history. To deny that is just stupid. Pounting out that slave ownership existed outside of our involvement doesnt refuce British culpability.
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PostPosted: 11:01 - 18 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Another convenient lie: the British never have had slaves unless you could the serfs in feudal times. British colonies on the other hand, rife with it but there's an example of giving people some limited autonomy to run their affairs and them abusing it.



I think you are splitting curly hairs here. We abolished slavery in the colonies in 1833. At the time lots of the slaves were owned by Brits and British companies.
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PostPosted: 14:22 - 18 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Oh and we bombed Dresden too Thumbs Down

Why don't we put someone from there on a note, so we can all feel guilty and ashamed of being British?
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Ah well, let's shelve my opinion as it's not really worth much and just deal with facts:

1) The British are supposed to feel deep guilt over their supposed command of the entire International Slave Trade throughout the entire history of the planet.
2) The British should expect no thanks for ending the International Slave Trade.
3) The Middle East aren't even acknowledged as having a slave trade let alone the barbarous treatment of said slaves because... diversity.

Are those points inaccurate?
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PostPosted: 15:46 - 18 Jul 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Completely accurate.

Remember to include Dresden too Thumbs Up
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Oh yes, we can't have anti British sentiment without mentioning Dresden.

Bloody well annoys me intensely all this historical self flagellation. You cannot apply todays morals/ethics/ideals on history. What happened is what happened. Yes we can learn from it but we can't change it and we shouldn't feel guilty for it.

As part Spaniard should I feel guilty because we eradicated the Aztecs cause I don't. I wasn't there just like I wasn't around when slavery was acceptable or when you shot conscientious objectors or burnt witches at the stake.

Do you know, I don't give a flying fcuk that the black death wiped out half of England or the great fire of London destroyed the old St Pauls and killed a lot of Londoners. Not because I don't care about people dying or buildings burning but because it was something that happened way before I lived and is just an item in history and the evolution of this country.

Even in the present day I can't get cry baby about something like Grenfell. I didn't know anyone there, it wasn't something deliberate. Learn from it and move on.

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Perhaps I'm just a callous bastard with no inner feelings but the following emoji sums up my feelings.

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You get more right-wing as you get older...

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I can't get cry baby about something like Grenfell. I didn't know anyone there


You sure about that? My understanding is that in reality there were so many people in there it's almost impossible to not know anyone there. What about all those gimmedat claims?
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