Resend my activation email : Register : Log in 
BCF: Bike Chat Forums


Rear Wheel damaged thread. *resolved*

Reply to topic
Bike Chat Forums Index -> The Workshop
View previous topic : View next topic  
Author Message

Tdibs
Traffic Copper



Joined: 16 Jan 2015
Karma :

PostPosted: 21:48 - 06 Aug 2019    Post subject: Rear Wheel damaged thread. *resolved* Reply with quote

Hey fellas,

Fazer failed its mot on the rear brake fluctuation. Assumed warped disc (could feel it in the pedal) went to replace and found this (after have to drill out 2 of the bolts)

https://puu.sh/E239P.jpg

The other half of that bolt was not in there, so someone had reused a snapped bolt and I could see marks all over it where someone had tried and failed to remove it.

After cleaning all the threads and going to put the new disc on I noticed this

https://puu.sh/E239N.jpg

The one where the snapped allen came out of is cross threaded... Im assuming this is cause of the brake fluctuation (?)

What are my options for repairing this? Tap and recut the thread, helicoil? grind/file the bolt shoulder so it clamps down flush? New rim?

Cheers.
____________________
Previous : 09 Vanvan 125| 02' Sv650s || Current: 1999 Xj600n | 1992 DR650 RSE | 2005 Fazer 1000


Last edited by Tdibs on 14:01 - 08 Aug 2019; edited 1 time in total
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Riejufixing
World Chat Champion



Joined: 24 Jun 2018
Karma :

PostPosted: 21:55 - 06 Aug 2019    Post subject: Re: Rear Wheel damaged thread. Reply with quote

Tdibs wrote:

After cleaning all the threads and going to put the new disc on I noticed this

https://puu.sh/E239N.jpg

The one where the snapped allen came out of is cross threaded... Im assuming this is cause of the brake fluctuation (?)


Whether that's the cause of the fluctuation I don't know, but if the bolt's just cross-threaded, why is it all askew? Are you sure that the very top of the bolt isn't bent, so the head's at an angle, or that someone hasn't attacked the hole with a drill and gone off-axis?
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Fisty
Super Spammer



Joined: 11 Apr 2007
Karma :

PostPosted: 21:57 - 06 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Drill it. Tap it. Helicoil it.

Or buy another complete rear wheel.
____________________
Quietly and consistently taking the piss.
TL1000R | Hayabusa | ZXR400 | TL1000S | Bandit 400 V
Fatter and faster than Fret
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website You must be logged in to rate posts

Tdibs
Traffic Copper



Joined: 16 Jan 2015
Karma :

PostPosted: 22:01 - 06 Aug 2019    Post subject: Re: Rear Wheel damaged thread. Reply with quote

Riejufixing wrote:
Whether that's the cause of the fluctuation I don't know, but if the bolt's just cross-threaded, why is it all askew? Are you sure that the very top of the bolt isn't bent, so the head's at an angle, or that someone hasn't attacked the hole with a drill and gone off-axis?


The bolt pictured there is a brand new replacement, I can see damaged threads in the hole, and assume thats why its going in crooked. Possible someone messed up drilling it before and tried to retap, ill get some better pictures with a light tomorrow.
____________________
Previous : 09 Vanvan 125| 02' Sv650s || Current: 1999 Xj600n | 1992 DR650 RSE | 2005 Fazer 1000
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Riejufixing
World Chat Champion



Joined: 24 Jun 2018
Karma :

PostPosted: 22:09 - 06 Aug 2019    Post subject: Re: Rear Wheel damaged thread. Reply with quote

Tdibs wrote:
The bolt pictured there is a brand new replacement, I can see damaged threads in the hole, and assume thats why its going in crooked. Possible someone messed up drilling it before and tried to retap, ill get some better pictures with a light tomorrow.

If you're going to helicoil it, I'd be inclined to make sure there's enough "meat" to re-align the hole if it's off axis, and not even attempt it unless you have a bench drill, take it somewhere.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

stinkwheel
Bovine Proctologist



Joined: 12 Jul 2004
Karma :

PostPosted: 22:10 - 06 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd try a helicoil in the knowledge that if it doesn't work well, you can get a used wheel for around £100.

it would be great to get that wheel in a lathe to check the shoulders are level and square too. Or at least put a dial guage onto it after fitting the helicoil and disc.
____________________
“Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.
I did the 2010 Round Britain Rally on my 350 Bullet. 89 landmarks, 3 months, 9,500 miles.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

stinkwheel
Bovine Proctologist



Joined: 12 Jul 2004
Karma :

PostPosted: 22:11 - 06 Aug 2019    Post subject: Re: Rear Wheel damaged thread. Reply with quote

Riejufixing wrote:

If you're going to helicoil it, I'd be inclined to make sure there's enough "meat" to re-align the hole if it's off axis, and not even attempt it unless you have a bench drill, take it somewhere.


Agreed, If I was doing this, I'd take the wheel along to may mate and get him to do it on his mill/huge pillar drill. They can wind the tap in on the chuck too without moving the wheel off the bed.
____________________
“Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.
I did the 2010 Round Britain Rally on my 350 Bullet. 89 landmarks, 3 months, 9,500 miles.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Tdibs
Traffic Copper



Joined: 16 Jan 2015
Karma :

PostPosted: 22:43 - 06 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep deffo going to a machine shop, beyond my level.

That was my main concern with a helicoil though, would that be considered a safe repair? I would assume it would be strong enough for the forces it would have to deal with but wanted to make sure.


If anyone has any machine shop recommendations in the midlands/derbyshire im all ears.
____________________
Previous : 09 Vanvan 125| 02' Sv650s || Current: 1999 Xj600n | 1992 DR650 RSE | 2005 Fazer 1000
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

DRZ4Hunned
World Chat Champion



Joined: 15 Apr 2014
Karma :

PostPosted: 10:20 - 07 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you need a new rear wheel PM me I'm breaking a FZS600, I'm near derby too,
____________________
DRZ400-SM
FZS600
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

P.
Red Rocket



Joined: 14 Feb 2008
Karma :

PostPosted: 11:05 - 07 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fit all the other bolts correctly, glue the half bolt on to the disk so it looks like you have them all present and correct, mark it with tipex.

Laughing don't do that..
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

A100man
World Chat Champion



Joined: 19 Aug 2013
Karma :

PostPosted: 11:31 - 07 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tdibs wrote:

That was my main concern with a helicoil though, would that be considered a safe repair? I would assume it would be strong enough for the forces it would have to deal with but wanted to make sure.


My understanding is that helicoil will be stronger than the original thread in alloy, as overall it has more material to 'pull' on..
Pete will know for sure.
____________________
Now: A100, GT250A, XJ598, FZ750

Then: Fizz, RS200, KL250, XJ550, Laverda Alpina, XJ600, FZS600
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Tdibs
Traffic Copper



Joined: 16 Jan 2015
Karma :

PostPosted: 17:45 - 07 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Going to give this place a ring tomorrow

https://www.nrsec.co.uk/motorcycle-repair-specialists-newark
____________________
Previous : 09 Vanvan 125| 02' Sv650s || Current: 1999 Xj600n | 1992 DR650 RSE | 2005 Fazer 1000
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

DRZ4Hunned
World Chat Champion



Joined: 15 Apr 2014
Karma :

PostPosted: 21:25 - 07 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Probably cheaper buying a whole wheel/ sprocket/ disc/ tyre than getting someone to work on it.
____________________
DRZ400-SM
FZS600
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Pete.
Super Spammer



Joined: 22 Aug 2006
Karma :

PostPosted: 21:58 - 07 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not easy to pull a thread round like that on a rear disc. I reckon that someone in the past has ridden off with a disc lock fitted and bent the disc along with the bolt, stretching the hole sideways.

I'd run a tap down it first with a guide to keep it straight. If that didn't work then probably a 2D helicoil.
____________________
a.k.a 'Geri'

132.9mph off and walked away. Gear is good, gear is good, gear is very very good Very Happy
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website You must be logged in to rate posts

Tdibs
Traffic Copper



Joined: 16 Jan 2015
Karma :

PostPosted: 14:05 - 08 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers for the help fellas

2x Helicoils later and shes back up and running. Turns out someone previously tried to drill out the bolts, drilled offcenter and left some of the old bolt in there. That was the cause of the bolt going in at a angle.

£60 for the repair and made a very useful contact.

https://puu.sh/E2Jjf.jpg
____________________
Previous : 09 Vanvan 125| 02' Sv650s || Current: 1999 Xj600n | 1992 DR650 RSE | 2005 Fazer 1000
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

DRZ4Hunned
World Chat Champion



Joined: 15 Apr 2014
Karma :

PostPosted: 14:08 - 08 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would've sold you a complete wheel for a tenner less than that Laughing
____________________
DRZ400-SM
FZS600
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

A100man
World Chat Champion



Joined: 19 Aug 2013
Karma :

PostPosted: 14:15 - 08 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

two holes knackered then?

I have a GPZ900 wheel with immovable disc bolts like those. Even withstands air impact gun. It was only for going on ebay after I robbed the new 16" tyre of it for my FZ, so I abandoned it..

Are these bolts going on 'dry' and then corrode or are they loctited?
____________________
Now: A100, GT250A, XJ598, FZ750

Then: Fizz, RS200, KL250, XJ550, Laverda Alpina, XJ600, FZS600
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Tdibs
Traffic Copper



Joined: 16 Jan 2015
Karma :

PostPosted: 14:36 - 08 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

DRZ4Hunned wrote:
I would've sold you a complete wheel for a tenner less than that Laughing


Cheers, off a 1000 not the 600 though, think they are different.

Quote:
two holes knackered then?

I have a GPZ900 wheel with immovable disc bolts like those. Even withstands air impact gun. It was only for going on ebay after I robbed the new 16" tyre of it for my FZ, so I abandoned it..

Are these bolts going on 'dry' and then corrode or are they loctited?


Yeah one was knackered and one was on the way so made sense to sort it now.

Only putting a tiny bit of pink loctite on and only needs 18nm torque. I think someone had put a stronger loctite and done them up way too tight before.
____________________
Previous : 09 Vanvan 125| 02' Sv650s || Current: 1999 Xj600n | 1992 DR650 RSE | 2005 Fazer 1000
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Riejufixing
World Chat Champion



Joined: 24 Jun 2018
Karma :

PostPosted: 16:02 - 08 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tdibs wrote:
Turns out someone previously tried to drill out the bolts, drilled offcenter and left some of the old bolt in there. That was the cause of the bolt going in at a angle.

£60 for the repair and made a very useful contact.

Did you go to the firm ypou posted a link to, or someoone else?
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Tdibs
Traffic Copper



Joined: 16 Jan 2015
Karma :

PostPosted: 16:26 - 08 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riejufixing wrote:
Tdibs wrote:
Turns out someone previously tried to drill out the bolts, drilled offcenter and left some of the old bolt in there. That was the cause of the bolt going in at a angle.

£60 for the repair and made a very useful contact.

Did you go to the firm ypou posted a link to, or someoone else?


Yep this place in Newark-on-Trent.

https://www.nrsec.co.uk/

Quite out the way for me, but worth traveling for a decent job Thumbs Up
____________________
Previous : 09 Vanvan 125| 02' Sv650s || Current: 1999 Xj600n | 1992 DR650 RSE | 2005 Fazer 1000
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

stinkwheel
Bovine Proctologist



Joined: 12 Jul 2004
Karma :

PostPosted: 17:00 - 08 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

A100man wrote:
two holes knackered then?

I have a GPZ900 wheel with immovable disc bolts like those. Even withstands air impact gun. It was only for going on ebay after I robbed the new 16" tyre of it for my FZ, so I abandoned it..

Are these bolts going on 'dry' and then corrode or are they loctited?


They usually have a strip of locking compound ON the bolt. They are also often tightened slightly into the plastic phase of the steel. Then they stay there for years, being repeatedly heat-cycled while holding a big lump of stainless against aluminium alloy in wet, salty conditions for maximum galling of the thread.

Heat is the answer. Aluminium still expands much more rapidly than steel. The hole will enlarge more quickly than the bolt when heated.
____________________
“Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.
I did the 2010 Round Britain Rally on my 350 Bullet. 89 landmarks, 3 months, 9,500 miles.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Riejufixing
World Chat Champion



Joined: 24 Jun 2018
Karma :

PostPosted: 19:18 - 08 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Heat is the answer. Aluminium still expands much more rapidly than steel. The hole will enlarge more quickly than the bolt when heated.

In both diameter, length and amount. Unsure about time.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

DRZ4Hunned
World Chat Champion



Joined: 15 Apr 2014
Karma :

PostPosted: 19:26 - 08 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahh yeah 1000's probably fetch a bit more Thumbs Up
____________________
DRZ400-SM
FZS600
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts
Old Thread Alert!

The last post was made 4 years, 260 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful?
  Display posts from previous:   
This page may contain affiliate links, which means we may earn a small commission if a visitor clicks through and makes a purchase. By clicking on an affiliate link, you accept that third-party cookies will be set.

Post new topic   Reply to topic    Bike Chat Forums Index -> The Workshop All times are GMT + 1 Hour
Page 1 of 1

 
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum

Read the Terms of Use! - Powered by phpBB © phpBB Group
 

Debug Mode: ON - Server: birks (www) - Page Generation Time: 0.10 Sec - Server Load: 0.35 - MySQL Queries: 17 - Page Size: 123.91 Kb