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temeluchus
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PostPosted: 17:59 - 10 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

The vast majority of spree killings in the USA are committed by a certain group of people against people in the same group, in a handful of large, largely Democrat led cities using stolen or otherwise illegally obtained firearms. These are not reported on as this i routine unremarkable and unfashionable in current era.

The chances of having a firearm used against you in a crime is vanishingly rare provided you aren't wandering around certain areas of certain cities at 3am trying to buy or sell drugs. Considering the huge number of firearms in circulation in the USA that would indicate that almost all are used entirely responsibly.

Also the 2nd amendment will never ever ever be revoked, so this discussion is largely pointless. This is good, because it's better than having every freedom granted taken because a tiny minority of sniveling cowards whine to the government they are a bit frightened.
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PostPosted: 00:04 - 11 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Too many candle lit vigils contributing to global warming, come on USA get a hold of it and stop destroying the planet.

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PostPosted: 00:31 - 11 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Absolutely no problem with shootings in the US. I've only been to one gun death funeral this year and skipped one last year. I've been to more Cancer related funerals in those two years, Yanks gonna die young, so whatever...
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PostPosted: 04:40 - 12 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

temeluchus wrote:

The chances of having a firearm used against you in a crime is vanishingly rare provided you aren't wandering around certain areas of certain cities at 3am trying to buy or sell drugs


I'm pretty sure the argument isn't about gun crime happening on the streets, it's about unprovoked public killing sprees, which America seems to have at a rate of at least 1 per year. Sometimes 2 or 3.

Most countries stop at 1, then stop completely.
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PostPosted: 08:59 - 12 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

A couple per year?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2018
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PostPosted: 10:46 - 12 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Percy wrote:
temeluchus wrote:

The chances of having a firearm used against you in a crime is vanishingly rare provided you aren't wandering around certain areas of certain cities at 3am trying to buy or sell drugs


I'm pretty sure the argument isn't about gun crime happening on the streets, it's about unprovoked public killing sprees, which America seems to have at a rate of at least 1 per year. Sometimes 2 or 3.

Most countries stop at 1, then stop completely.


It's a way of culling excess population. Bring on the purge.
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PostPosted: 23:34 - 13 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Percy wrote:
I'm pretty sure the argument isn't about gun crime happening on the streets, it's about unprovoked public killing sprees, which America seems to have at a rate of at least 1 per year. Sometimes 2 or 3.

Most countries stop at 1, then stop completely.


We did pretty well on killing sprees without firearms in recent history.

Still, its attempting to cover up an underlying problem by tackling a superficial symptom. If you ignore the most overwhelmingly common spree killer type (black gangbangers mowing down other black gangbangers, which is a whole discussion in and of itself) the rest are deeply misinformed and unhappy people who feel hopeless and lash out.

I actually knew, via the internet, the guy who shot up the atzec high school in new mexico. William "couch cuck" Atchison. Kid was a messed up lad from a broken home, in the middle of nowhere who felt he couldn't get a decent job, girlfriend or anywhere in life so decided to take it out on what he felt was a big part of the blame, his old school.

The states has a peculiar bully culture at schools, so you see a lot of school shootings. But attempting to ban guns is easier to grasp than admitting you are failing your children from the start.
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PostPosted: 04:02 - 14 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

temeluchus wrote:


We did pretty well on killing sprees without firearms in recent history.

Still, its attempting to cover up an underlying problem by tackling a superficial symptom. If you ignore the most overwhelmingly common spree killer type (black gangbangers mowing down other black gangbangers, which is a whole discussion in and of itself) the rest are deeply misinformed and unhappy people who feel hopeless and lash out.

I actually knew, via the internet, the guy who shot up the atzec high school in new mexico. William "couch cuck" Atchison. Kid was a messed up lad from a broken home, in the middle of nowhere who felt he couldn't get a decent job, girlfriend or anywhere in life so decided to take it out on what he felt was a big part of the blame, his old school.

The states has a peculiar bully culture at schools, so you see a lot of school shootings. But attempting to ban guns is easier to grasp than admitting you are failing your children from the start.


Interesting point, and it makes sense to say that there are surely deeper issues to tackle that are related to gun violence.

But still doesn't get around the fact that guns make mass killings a whole bloody lot easier for those poor broken individuals.

Here in chyina chyina chyina, broken individuals do one of two things:

- Choose a target of hate/blame and kill them with a meat cleaver.
- Jump off a building.

In both cases, only one person dies.
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PostPosted: 12:51 - 14 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still, banning guns for a rare crime is more akin to collective punishment.

As the UK, Germany and Spain proved, running a car or truck into a crowd of people is about as effective as shooting a place up.
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PostPosted: 14:23 - 14 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

temeluchus wrote:
Still, banning guns for a rare crime is more akin to collective punishment.

As the UK, Germany and Spain proved, running a car or truck into a crowd of people is about as effective as shooting a place up.

Speaking as one who shoots, I have no problem with current UK law on guns, with the only exception that I'd allow single-shot 0.22 pistols as used in Olympic competition.

As to "cars and trucks (sic) is about as effective as shooting a place up", there are various considerations to take into account there.

Looking back, Thomas Hamilton did not murder people using cars or trucks. He used pistols and revolvers. See the "Wikipedia" entry.

Forbidding people to posess various objects or do various things is not "collective punishment", and it's ridiculous to claim it is.

Total firearms deaths in the UK have halved over the last 20 years. The issue of FACs has remained reasonably constant, although the issue of shot gun certificsates has fallen slightly. Gun deaths in the USA are at a record high.

If anyone wants chapter and verse on gun crime and death statistics, see:

https://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-kingdom

Also:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/the21stcenturymortalityfilesdeathsdataset

In conjunction with:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/gundeathsfrom1980to2018

(you will need to be able to use M$ Excel)


Here you are, this is what mainly caused the UK ban on most handguns:
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PostPosted: 11:14 - 19 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Relative to the population, they arent all that common in the US and the country is flooded with firearms.

Collective punishment is removing privileges from the whole, due to the actions of an individual or small minority. We submit to this meekly as brits due to our fundamentally servile nature, glibly passing it off as some kind of moral superiority.

The actions of a couple of dickheads like michael ryan and that pedo who shot up dunblane were down to police incompetence and/or corruption. So what do we do, do we deal with the police or do we just take the easy route and punish the lawful?
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PostPosted: 16:36 - 19 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

temeluchus wrote:
Relative to the population, they arent all that common in the US and the country is flooded with firearms.

Collective punishment is removing privileges from the whole, due to the actions of an individual or small minority. We submit to this meekly as brits due to our fundamentally servile nature, glibly passing it off as some kind of moral superiority.

The actions of a couple of dickheads like michael ryan and that pedo who shot up dunblane were down to police incompetence and/or corruption. So what do we do, do we deal with the police or do we just take the easy route and punish the lawful?


Not being able to posess various things is not "collective punishment", and it's ridiculous to say that it is. I am sure that people can think of all sorts of dangerous things that we're not allowed to have (even in the usa), but for which the ban is also certainly not "collective punishment".
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PostPosted: 14:55 - 20 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riejufixing wrote:
Not being able to posess various things is not "collective punishment", and it's ridiculous to say that it is. I am sure that people can think of all sorts of dangerous things that we're not allowed to have (even in the usa), but for which the ban is also certainly not "collective punishment".


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PostPosted: 19:11 - 20 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

temeluchus wrote:
Riejufixing wrote:
Not being able to posess various things is not "collective punishment", and it's ridiculous to say that it is. I am sure that people can think of all sorts of dangerous things that we're not allowed to have (even in the usa), but for which the ban is also certainly not "collective punishment".


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Itd be a different thing if the Black Panthers were to reappear and start open carrying semi auto rifles on the streets though. Funny how that works...
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PostPosted: 23:07 - 21 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

mentalboy wrote:


Itd be a different thing if the Black Panthers were to reappear and start open carrying semi auto rifles on the streets though. Funny how that works...


They aren't known to frequent states where such things are allowed however.

I wonder what firearm crime stats would look like if chicago and los angeles blinked out of existence.
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PostPosted: 00:05 - 22 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

temeluchus wrote:
mentalboy wrote:


Itd be a different thing if the Black Panthers were to reappear and start open carrying semi auto rifles on the streets though. Funny how that works...


They aren't known to frequent states where such things are allowed however.

I wonder what firearm crime stats would look like if chicago and los angeles blinked out of existence.


I found the 2017 violence figures for my county, 57 gun related deaths, 7 murders. Not sure what percentage were suicides but last year the county did buck national trends and saw it's first rise in violence stats since 2006, and had 8 murders (the murders for both years were not neccesarily all gun related, Floridaman has a reputation for taking the creative approach!!).
Whilst carjackings, burglaries, bank robberies and muggings, etc, are possible with assistance from any weapon, a gun makes it that much easier for the crim.
For comparison, my county has half the population of Dorset and is slightly smaller in area.


Don't get me wrong I am not anti-gun, a lot of the current problems would be eased if states enforced the regulations currently on the books, preventing the mentally ill from possession might help as well but the mentality that they are taking away our guns is strong here.
Just today, a local mother whose son unsuccessfully attempted to off himself, with a gun, was on the radio saying that he should be allowed to keep his gun.
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PostPosted: 09:42 - 22 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

temeluchus wrote:
But attempting to ban guns is easier to grasp than admitting you are failing your children from the start.


Self enquiry is seemingly impossible for the US.
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