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Lord Percy wrote: | I'm pretty sure the argument isn't about gun crime happening on the streets, it's about unprovoked public killing sprees, which America seems to have at a rate of at least 1 per year. Sometimes 2 or 3.
Most countries stop at 1, then stop completely. |
We did pretty well on killing sprees without firearms in recent history.
Still, its attempting to cover up an underlying problem by tackling a superficial symptom. If you ignore the most overwhelmingly common spree killer type (black gangbangers mowing down other black gangbangers, which is a whole discussion in and of itself) the rest are deeply misinformed and unhappy people who feel hopeless and lash out.
I actually knew, via the internet, the guy who shot up the atzec high school in new mexico. William "couch cuck" Atchison. Kid was a messed up lad from a broken home, in the middle of nowhere who felt he couldn't get a decent job, girlfriend or anywhere in life so decided to take it out on what he felt was a big part of the blame, his old school.
The states has a peculiar bully culture at schools, so you see a lot of school shootings. But attempting to ban guns is easier to grasp than admitting you are failing your children from the start. ____________________ Some shite cruiser. Now with guns and FREEDOM! |
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temeluchus wrote: |
We did pretty well on killing sprees without firearms in recent history.
Still, its attempting to cover up an underlying problem by tackling a superficial symptom. If you ignore the most overwhelmingly common spree killer type (black gangbangers mowing down other black gangbangers, which is a whole discussion in and of itself) the rest are deeply misinformed and unhappy people who feel hopeless and lash out.
I actually knew, via the internet, the guy who shot up the atzec high school in new mexico. William "couch cuck" Atchison. Kid was a messed up lad from a broken home, in the middle of nowhere who felt he couldn't get a decent job, girlfriend or anywhere in life so decided to take it out on what he felt was a big part of the blame, his old school.
The states has a peculiar bully culture at schools, so you see a lot of school shootings. But attempting to ban guns is easier to grasp than admitting you are failing your children from the start. |
Interesting point, and it makes sense to say that there are surely deeper issues to tackle that are related to gun violence.
But still doesn't get around the fact that guns make mass killings a whole bloody lot easier for those poor broken individuals.
Here in chyina chyina chyina, broken individuals do one of two things:
- Choose a target of hate/blame and kill them with a meat cleaver.
- Jump off a building.
In both cases, only one person dies. |
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temeluchus wrote: | Still, banning guns for a rare crime is more akin to collective punishment.
As the UK, Germany and Spain proved, running a car or truck into a crowd of people is about as effective as shooting a place up. |
Speaking as one who shoots, I have no problem with current UK law on guns, with the only exception that I'd allow single-shot 0.22 pistols as used in Olympic competition.
As to "cars and trucks (sic) is about as effective as shooting a place up", there are various considerations to take into account there.
Looking back, Thomas Hamilton did not murder people using cars or trucks. He used pistols and revolvers. See the "Wikipedia" entry.
Forbidding people to posess various objects or do various things is not "collective punishment", and it's ridiculous to claim it is.
Total firearms deaths in the UK have halved over the last 20 years. The issue of FACs has remained reasonably constant, although the issue of shot gun certificsates has fallen slightly. Gun deaths in the USA are at a record high.
If anyone wants chapter and verse on gun crime and death statistics, see:
https://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-kingdom
Also:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/the21stcenturymortalityfilesdeathsdataset
In conjunction with:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/gundeathsfrom1980to2018
(you will need to be able to use M$ Excel)
Here you are, this is what mainly caused the UK ban on most handguns: |
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The last thing you want to do, in general, is listen to the american msm media. They lie by normalcy, and seem to be controlled by one or two entities, often quoting each other at any news event. The two recent killers were, one or both, Antifa, not pro-Trump. They are nearly always on pharma meds whose side effects include rampages like this.
If you want decent media, you have to go to sources such as OAN, One American News. They seem fair, from what I have seen. Trump news is generally fake, coming out of america. I mean literally completely fabricated, even if via video. Altered videos, and/or context removal to make him appear to say that which he never meant. ____________________ "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2:8-9 |
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temeluchus wrote: | mentalboy wrote: |
It’d be a different thing if the Black Panthers were to reappear and start open carrying semi auto rifles on the streets though. Funny how that works... |
They aren't known to frequent states where such things are allowed however.
I wonder what firearm crime stats would look like if chicago and los angeles blinked out of existence. |
I found the 2017 violence figures for my county, 57 gun related deaths, 7 murders. Not sure what percentage were suicides but last year the county did buck national trends and saw it's first rise in violence stats since 2006, and had 8 murders (the murders for both years were not neccesarily all gun related, Floridaman has a reputation for taking the creative approach!!).
Whilst carjackings, burglaries, bank robberies and muggings, etc, are possible with assistance from any weapon, a gun makes it that much easier for the crim.
For comparison, my county has half the population of Dorset and is slightly smaller in area.
Don't get me wrong I am not anti-gun, a lot of the current problems would be eased if states enforced the regulations currently on the books, preventing the mentally ill from possession might help as well but the mentality that they are taking away our guns is strong here.
Just today, a local mother whose son unsuccessfully attempted to off himself, with a gun, was on the radio saying that he should be allowed to keep his gun. ____________________ Make mine a Corona. |
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Lord Percy wrote: | temeluchus wrote: |
We did pretty well on killing sprees without firearms in recent history.
Still, its attempting to cover up an underlying problem by tackling a superficial symptom. If you ignore the most overwhelmingly common spree killer type (black gangbangers mowing down other black gangbangers, which is a whole discussion in and of itself) the rest are deeply misinformed and unhappy people who feel hopeless and lash out.
I actually knew, via the internet, the guy who shot up the atzec high school in new mexico. William "couch cuck" Atchison. Kid was a messed up lad from a broken home, in the middle of nowhere who felt he couldn't get a decent job, girlfriend or anywhere in life so decided to take it out on what he felt was a big part of the blame, his old school.
The states has a peculiar bully culture at schools, so you see a lot of school shootings. But attempting to ban guns is easier to grasp than admitting you are failing your children from the start. |
Interesting point, and it makes sense to say that there are surely deeper issues to tackle that are related to gun violence.
But still doesn't get around the fact that guns make mass killings a whole bloody lot easier for those poor broken individuals.
Here in chyina chyina chyina, broken individuals do one of two things:
- Choose a target of hate/blame and kill them with a meat cleaver.
- Jump off a building.
In both cases, only one person dies. |
Other people in China claim there is a lot of under reporting of violent crimes. Having said that it's the same with stabbings in Scots schools where it's hidden or misrepresented.
It's strange that there are a lot of similar attacks like these.
Quote: | Beijing — An attacker killed eight students and injured two others at an elementary school in central China on the first day of the new semester, police said Tuesday. The attack occurred around 8 a.m. Monday in Chaoyangpo village of Enshi city in Hubei province, Enshi police said in a statement.
The suspect is a 40-year-old man surnamed Yu, who is in custody and being investigated. How the children were attacked was not disclosed. The motive for the attack was unclear. |
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/china-school-attack-in-hubei-leaves-8-elementary-school-children-dead-today-2019-09-03/ |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 4 years, 229 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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