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bhinso
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PostPosted: 14:57 - 19 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
Was going to see how many results there are for "Mr Singh" on the Gas Safe register and it turns out that you can't search by name. Laughing


Did you find any Clips on "Mr Singh" ?
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PostPosted: 15:36 - 19 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
King29 wrote:
To be fair the initial water problem was my fault. I filled the boiler manually with the 2 taps as it was on lower green, I never shut them off correctly and it trickle filled the boiler in the red. The noise I heard was the boiler spewing the water out.

All good now.

https://i.imgur.com/SfgRr5K.jpg


Considering the cheapest Biasi boiler new from Screwfix is £580, I'm surprised Mr Singh only wanted to make £20 for over a day's work to supply and fit. Even if he was VAT registered and tried to claim the VAT back, it would be difficult to do when he didn't issue a VAT receipt.

I wonder if it wasn't new? Mind you, when Mr Singh does provide the Gas Safe certificate, all will be well.


I would be very concerned that Mr Singh didn't charge and test the boiler before leaving the house. Nothing about this stacks up, so I suspect a tall story...
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PostPosted: 18:00 - 19 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diggs wrote:

I would be very concerned that Mr Singh didn't charge and test the boiler before leaving the house. Nothing about this stacks up, so I suspect a tall story...


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Diggs, what does not check out. Stop looking for holes when there are none. Yes he charged the boiler. He fired it up. The water pressure was low. I filled it up, never turned the taps all the way off, boiler filled up. FFS.
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King29
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PostPosted: 18:05 - 19 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
Considering the cheapest Biasi boiler new from Screwfix is £580, I'm surprised Mr Singh only wanted to make £20 for over a day's work to supply and fit. Even if he was VAT registered and tried to claim the VAT back, it would be difficult to do when he didn't issue a VAT receipt.

I wonder if it wasn't new? Mind you, when Mr Singh does provide the Gas Safe certificate, all will be well.



He dropped the boiler off the night before. It look sealed, the boiler was wrapped up in the box, box looked factory sealed. You are correct about the price. Perhaps he got a trade deal? boiler was new, of that I am 100% sure. I'm not going to ask him.
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PostPosted: 18:29 - 19 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

King29 wrote:
Diggs wrote:

I would be very concerned that Mr Singh didn't charge and test the boiler before leaving the house. Nothing about this stacks up, so I suspect a tall story...


Rolling Eyes
Diggs, what does not check out. Stop looking for holes when there are none. Yes he charged the boiler. He fired it up. The water pressure was low. I filled it up, never turned the taps all the way off, boiler filled up. FFS.


Then you miss the point of Dear Auntie BCF. It exists to sow seeds of doubt and to make people worry about otherwise innocuous domestic trivia...
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Ste
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PostPosted: 18:31 - 19 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diggs wrote:
Nothing about this stacks up

Meh, it all seems quite plausible to me. He got it done on the cheap so the fact SinghPal didn't bother to adjust the water pressure isn't a big surprise. Wink

"It look sealed, the boiler was wrapped up in the box, box looked factory sealed."

You could register it on their website, the only detail required about the person who installed it is their surname.

https://biasiadx.crm.tecmanonline.co.uk/complex-product-registration/
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PostPosted: 19:29 - 19 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
You could register it on their website, the only detail required about the person who installed it is their surname.

https://biasiadx.crm.tecmanonline.co.uk/complex-product-registration/

Unsure what good that does; it should help with any guarantee, BUT in the T&Cs:

1. The boiler must have been installed and commissioned by a registered Gas Safe installer (it hasn't been) in
accordance with the guidelines in the installation and servicing booklet provided with the boiler
(it hasn't been).

By the way, the website wants the "Gas Safe" number of the installer.

This is fun!
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PostPosted: 19:38 - 19 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could you live with the death of your family.

That is all you have to ask when it comes down to it.

If no, get cert and gas safe number, if he fails to provide report to police.

If yes, you are scum.

2 solid options there, pick wisely. Razz
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Ste
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PostPosted: 19:53 - 19 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riejufixing wrote:
Ste wrote:
You could register it on their website, the only detail required about the person who installed it is their surname.

https://biasiadx.crm.tecmanonline.co.uk/complex-product-registration/

Unsure what good that doe

Trying to register it would result in them telling King29 if SinghPal does deals on stuff that fell off the back of a lorry. Razz

Anyone can register the warranty though.

Like you say, the T&C's say it has to be fitted by a gas safe person so it wouldn't be of any use, I was only suggesting it as a way of finding out if it's off the back of a lorry. Laughing

Very few boxes on the form are marked with an asterisk and I'm guessing that the form only requires the fields marked with an asterisk to be filled in.
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PostPosted: 20:01 - 19 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trade price mentioned above somewhere is somewhere around £300 including the dreaded for the boiler + the bits'n'bobs. So MrS is on £300 for the day, about, I'd guess.
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PostPosted: 20:03 - 19 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
If no, get cert and gas safe number, if he fails to provide report to police.

https://www.gassaferegister.co.uk/help-and-advice/complaints-report-an-illegal/

Other than the risk of death and home insurance problems, no one will be willing to work with the SinghPal boiler so removing it and starting again is about the only way a proper Gas Safe plumber can know that everything is done correctly.

It is going to end up being replaced. Sad

https://nationaltradesmen.co.uk/2019/06/10/plumber-jailed-for-removing-boiler-and-replacing/

"A Staffordshire plumber has been jailed after gas work he performed at a domestic premise was left in a dangerous condition.

Stoke-on-Trent Crown Court heard how, in September 2016, Colin Christopher Batchelor carried out gas work that included removing an old boiler, installing a new boiler, reinstalling a gas meter and connecting pipework whilst unregistered.

An investigation by the Health and Safety Executive (HSE) found that Colin Christopher Batchelor had performed gas work whilst falsely claiming to be a member of Gas Safe. He was not competent to carry out work in relation to gas fittings, he did not have any relevant qualifications and he failed to carry out any test or examination to verify that the installation was gas tight following his work. This resulted in the work not being performed in a manner which would prevent danger to people.

Colin Christopher Batchelor of Tean, Stoke-on-Trent pleaded guilty to five breaches of the Gas Safety (Installation and Use) Regulations 1998. He was sentenced to eight months immediate imprisonment for each offence, to be served concurrently."
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PostPosted: 20:13 - 19 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

lol, singh me a story.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/82953d3ac969ad1865906e5387f283bd/tenor.gif?itemid=7331891
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PostPosted: 20:18 - 19 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

"The responsible person for any premises shall not use a gas appliance or permit a gas appliance to be used if at any time he knows or has reason to suspect that it cannot be used without constituting a danger to any person."

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1998/2451/made

Dumb ways to die... so many dumb ways to die. Shocked
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PostPosted: 20:49 - 19 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the plus side the carbon monoxide / explosion should sort out the rat issues for you.
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PostPosted: 21:11 - 19 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
On the plus side the carbon monoxide / explosion should sort out the rat issues for you.

.... the fire brought the tulips up early...! (a very old shaggy dog story)
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PostPosted: 21:57 - 19 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
On the plus side the carbon monoxide / explosion should sort out the rat issues for you.


I'm still laughing at "UZI 9mm"
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PostPosted: 23:13 - 19 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Basic safety checks pending your decision.

1) Turn off all appliances and watch your gas meter. Does it turn? Yes = bad

2) Check for leaks on Mr Singh's gas joints with soapy water or some forming kitcjhen spray - any bubbles? Yes= bad.

3) Get a CO meter with a numeric display showing accurarte ppm (or whatever appropriate units are) and check boiler area against normal background readings

4) Make your decision.
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PostPosted: 23:42 - 19 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

A100man wrote:
Basic safety checks pending your decision.

1) Turn off all appliances and watch your gas meter. Does it turn? Yes = bad

2) Check for leaks on Mr Singh's gas joints with soapy water or some forming kitcjhen spray - any bubbles? Yes= bad.

3) Get a CO meter with a numeric display showing accurarte ppm (or whatever appropriate units are) and check boiler area against normal background readings

4) Make your decision.



I shall be doing all of the above tomorrow. Thank you.
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PostPosted: 08:30 - 20 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the spirit of helpfulness, you should also go onto your Local Authority website and enter your address into the Building Control search function to see if the works are revealed. If they are not you have to ask your plumber why. If he won't or cannot ensure that this happens, you have been ripped of.


If he can't and you continue to use the boiler, at best you invalidate your home insurance and will struggle to sell your house.
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PostPosted: 08:51 - 20 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

The stuggling to sell your house bit, is not exactly true.

What will happen is that, when you fill out all the forms for the solicitors they will ask you whether you've had any notifable works done, whether you had the correct permitts etc.

They will ask whether you've had a new boilder fitted. When and if there is any warranty on it and when it was last serviced. They will also require the gas safe certificate or building control inspection certificate.

If you can't provide those then obviously you stand to loose your buyer which might cost you some money depending on how far along in the process, however what is more likely is that you will be made to purchase an indemnity policy to cover the issue.

I know because the plumber forgot to register the new boiler at the last house. And the solicitors where tooing and frowing about it. Fortunately for me my plumber was a gas safe registered engineer who genuinely forgot because he was so busy. So once he registered it I was able to get a certificate emailed over and all was right with the world.

Btw the certificate comes from gas safe not from singhpal.
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PostPosted: 08:52 - 20 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diggs wrote:
go onto your Local Authority website and enter your address into the Building Control search function to see if the works are revealed. If they are not you have to ask your plumber why. If he won't or cannot ensure that this happens, you have been ripped of.

Is no problem for Singhpal. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 09:02 - 20 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

duhawkz wrote:
The stuggling to sell your house bit, is not exactly true.

What will happen is that, when you fill out all the forms for the solicitors they will ask you whether you've had any notifable works done, whether you had the correct permitts etc.

They will ask whether you've had a new boilder fitted. When and if there is any warranty on it and when it was last serviced. They will also require the gas safe certificate or building control inspection certificate.

If you can't provide those then obviously you stand to loose your buyer which might cost you some money depending on how far along in the process, however what is more likely is that you will be made to purchase an indemnity policy to cover the issue.

I know because the plumber forgot to register the new boiler at the last house. And the solicitors where tooing and frowing about it. Fortunately for me my plumber was a gas safe registered engineer who genuinely forgot because he was so busy. So once he registered it I was able to get a certificate emailed over and all was right with the world.

Btw the certificate comes from gas safe not from singhpal.


It certainly won't make it easier... Question 1.1L on a Local Authority search relates to this very matter. If a buyer is paying cash and forgoes a search then the issue may not come up, but this happens in relatively few cases nowadays.
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PostPosted: 09:29 - 20 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

For sure it won't help, but it's not the show stopper people keep making it out to be.

I'd be far more concerned about it actually killing someone, blowing my house up, not getting any kind of warranty on the boiler or the work, not being able to get anyone else to work on it and having to pay to have it redone.
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PostPosted: 09:37 - 20 Aug 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

duhawkz wrote:
If you can't provide those then obviously you stand to loose your buyer which might cost you some money depending on how far along in the process, however what is more likely is that you will be made to purchase an indemnity policy to cover the issue.

It's going to cost him the price of having a new boiler installed by someone who's gas safe registered, be it when King20 is living in the property or when a potential buyer finds out and subsequently wants it sorting before completing the purchase.

If a buyer finds out that a replacement was done on the cheap by someone unqualified then it wouldn't be surprising if they then wanted to inspect stuff in more detail to find out if anything else has been done on the cheap.

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