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PostPosted: 14:12 - 09 Sep 2019    Post subject: Let's do Shrooms Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 15:51 - 09 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

No liberty caps there....
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PostPosted: 17:28 - 09 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 08:15 - 10 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

My Dad was the village poacher. We ate the best food in the village and as well as animals he knew the various plants and fungi incredibly well.
His skills with harvesting foods were very good and as a child he educated me very well.
(It's one of the reasons I just don't get why people choose to take unknown substances when they could easily harvest a years supply of goodness in just one hour in a woodland)
Anyway, I can well remember my lesson off Dad about the humble field mushroom. The various parts to look for and intricate details that are important. There's one type of fungi up here which is almost identical to field mushrooms and is lethal. It's completely the same except it's missing a particular shape/type of skirt on its stem. Pick it early as a button mushroom and you're choosing a slow death.

As a child of the 60s I can remember almost every household had a poster on the wall. It showed what not to eat. I suppose supermarkets and ready food has lessened the need for such things but I still think there should be at least a little education on the subject.
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PostPosted: 14:23 - 10 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to enjoy mushroom picking. I never ate them, but enjoyed just wondering through whatever forest with my father and brother picking them up. It was and still is a very popular pastime activity where I live.

It was never about ''getting food for free''. Whole families used to, and still do, day long trips to forests, picking up mushrooms and just enjoying the time spent outside. It's also a kind of a sport, here. But beware, some of the European countries have strict limits on how many (weight) of mushrooms you may pick per person, in one day. How would anyone know? Well, let's say you took your car to get there, then you take the car to get home and on the way how a police officer does a routine roadside check, and your car is full of mushrooms.

EDIT: Well, maybe during the WW1, WW2, middle ages perhaps, it was about getting something to eat for free.

ALSO: After the Chernobyl disaster, it was not advisable to eat mushrooms, because they pulled cesium 137, or other such elements, from the soil contaminated by the fallout. Since the UK got a nice fallout dose, I would guess that could also contribute to why people don't pick mushrooms in the UK anymore.
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PostPosted: 18:54 - 10 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't pick shrooms any more cause of chernoby?

You can walk through a field in Somerset in autumn without tripping over a hippy that's off his/her nut.
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PostPosted: 20:41 - 10 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Don't pick shrooms any more cause of chernoby?


Yep, back in the 80's even in our small Socialist Republic were people advised not to pick/eat mushrooms after the events, as mushrooms have no stems, nor roots, so they absorb all the nutrients they need from the surrounding area and are therefore very prone to absorb above mentioned cesium 137, which is radionuclide. Which if ingested raises the risk of cancer of soft tissues.

The half life of cesium 137 is maybe 70 days, irrc. The health risks also probably depend on where the mushrooms grew and how many of them you ate, or keep eating.

Has no one in the UK issued such warning after the Chernobyl disaster?

Wiki: Caesium-137 (137 55Cs), or radiocaesium, is a radioactive isotope of caesium which is formed as one of the more common fission products by the nuclear fission of uranium-235 and other fissionable isotopes in nuclear reactors and nuclear weapons.
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PostPosted: 00:36 - 11 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Read a bit further: half-life is 30 years Shocked

Caesium-137 mostly decays by β-emission which isn't the worst thing to be irradiated by. However the Barium it decays into stabilises by gamma-ray burst which isn't great if you ingested the aforementioned mushrooms.

Note that the Polonium-210 that killed the Russian defector is no harm to anyone... if left on a shelf somewhere as α-decay can barely penetrate the skin. Only ingested can it do any damage Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: 14:04 - 11 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

It says ''The biological half-life of caesium is about 70 days''. Thinking

I guess I was wrong. Razz
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PostPosted: 18:55 - 11 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

RhynoCZ wrote:
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Don't pick shrooms any more cause of chernoby?


Yep, back in the 80's even in our small Socialist Republic were people advised not to pick/eat mushrooms after the events, as mushrooms have no stems, nor roots, so they absorb all the nutrients they need from the surrounding area and are therefore very prone to absorb above mentioned cesium 137, which is radionuclide. Which if ingested raises the risk of cancer of soft tissues.

The half life of cesium 137 is maybe 70 days, irrc. The health risks also probably depend on where the mushrooms grew and how many of them you ate, or keep eating.

Has no one in the UK issued such warning after the Chernobyl disaster?

Wiki: Caesium-137 (137 55Cs), or radiocaesium, is a radioactive isotope of caesium which is formed as one of the more common fission products by the nuclear fission of uranium-235 and other fissionable isotopes in nuclear reactors and nuclear weapons.


I think Scotch Lamb was off the menu for a while.

Farmers were compensated for livestock that had to be destroyed.

https://www2.gov.scot/Topics/farmingrural/Agriculture/Livestock/Meat/Sheep/chernobyl

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PostPosted: 07:45 - 12 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't find the sauce but when Chernobyl went bang and it was realised that the cloud of death had passed over the UK, scientists here began scanning the British countryside to check levels of contamination. They soon discovered a whole heap of trouble on the land and so certain food exports etc were stopped and British people banned from eating such things.
As scientists looked deeper into the radiation problem they discovered far more radioactive stuff than there should have been. It was also realised that it could not have come from Chernobyl. It was then realised that Britain was already stained with radioactive mess from the fire at Windscale many years earlier!
Scientists also began taking more notice of food imports too. A ship full of grain from the USA was checked and the cargo found to be contaminated with radioactive mess. There was a problem though - it was never messed on by Chernobyl as that cloud didn't pass over those parts. It was realised that the grain from the USA had been contaminated by nuke testing in the USA. That grain grew some 3k miles from the nuke testing sites which meant radioactive dust from tests was dropping onto most of the USA..
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PostPosted: 08:58 - 12 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Radiocaesium half live 30.17ys.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesium-137

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PostPosted: 10:44 - 12 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Hey, Dad! Which on of these mushrooms are safe?"

"The one's that aren't glowing would be a start..."
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PostPosted: 10:57 - 12 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sister Sledge wrote:

Anyway, I can well remember my lesson off Dad about the humble field mushroom. The various parts to look for and intricate details that are important. There's one type of fungi up here which is almost identical to field mushrooms and is lethal. It's completely the same except it's missing a particular shape/type of skirt on its stem. Pick it early as a button mushroom and you're choosing a slow death.



Destroying Angel

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destroying_angel

Symptoms do not appear for 5 to 24 hours, when the toxins may already be absorbed and the damage (destruction of liver and kidney tissues) is irreversible. As little as half a mushroom cap can be fatal if the victim is not treated quickly enough
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PostPosted: 13:58 - 12 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:
Inkompetent Komme Bastirts..


50's Windscale dairy products, yummy. Razz

But, I do agree.
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PostPosted: 14:10 - 12 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

RhynoCZ wrote:
MCN wrote:
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50's Windscale dairy products, yummy. Razz

But, I do agree.


What's wrong with warm ice cream?

We had the Conservatives in power in the 50s. A more worser brand of Big Brotherists.

(I think Orwell's 1984 even alluded to UK government rather than the Stalin/Hitler bastirts.)
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PostPosted: 20:52 - 12 Sep 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, it was the 50's, their goal (UK/USA/USSR) was to make weapons grade uranium and that's what these reactors were mainly for and safety concerns were therefore somewhat muted. Either they didn't know better (some of the reactor designs were plain stupid, by today's standards) OR safety was not the priority.

Sharing any mishaps with the citizens, or even the world was not an option, apparently. Americans and their nuke tests, USSR and the Kyshtym disaster, the Windscale issues and downplaying the 50's accident... and who knows how many places on this planet are not safe because of such events. The USSR nuclear incidents got publicly known only because of the fall of the USSR and declassification of all sorts of documents, otherwise we would have never know.

Speaking of the Kyshtym disaster, apparently the CIA knew all about this event from the beginning, yet kept it secret because they feared that if they publicised this bit of information, it would scare the American taxpayers which would not help their own nuclear program.

EDIT: By the way, people already forgot how European nuclear facilities were putting their nuclear waste into metal barrels dropping them right into the Atlantic ocean, as they got pissed when Japan recently announced they're gonna dump the heavy water from the Fukushima facility right into the ocean to dilute it. Razz
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