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That handshake. You grip a man's palm, not hold his fingers. |
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Kawasaki Jimbo wrote: |
That handshake. You grip a man's palm, not hold his fingers. |
Well if you're in the lodge there's a code not to be ignored.
May have been wary of Junkers pocketing a few of his fingers too. ____________________ Disclaimer: The comments above may be predicted text and not necessarily the opinion of MCN. |
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Kawasaki Jimbo wrote: |
That handshake. You grip a man's palm, not hold his fingers. |
I wouldn't read too much into it - probably the photo was taken just as Farage was trying to wrestle his hand back so as not to become entrapped in the grip of Europe! ____________________ Husqvarna Vitpilen 401, Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter |
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That won't do. A non-answer as expected. Argue your point, use a reference (no, I'm not going to look for your imagined point myself, it;'s up to you to show it having yourself made a claim), or STFU. |
Tbf, people are entitled to their opinions, whether or not they might be flawed. Not everyone has the time or inclination to go into every little detail, nor would many understand it all if they tried*, and much is just matters of opinion. So they fall back on making up their minds from the views of those who supposedly understand better. You claim to - fair enough. But you have to admit, the major weight of opinion is against you, including many high profile figures who do understand these things very well, many of whom also much prefer to leave with a WA. So it's little wonder people choose to dispute your view. Democracy is NOT telling them to STFU. That's what the Remainers in Parliament are trying to do to the people who voted to leave. Like it or not, democracy means all kinds of folk get the vote. If they didn't, you perhaps wouldn't even have May's WA to choose from - or the doctored version that Boris is likely to bring back at the last moment.
*Not to mention that many would like to see us leave with no WA, and sort things out from there, which is also a perfectly valid position. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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chickenstrip wrote: | But you have to admit |
Again, I have no idea what you're trying to say. Some people apparently think we should have "deal", some "no-deal". Fine, that's a point of view.
However, to claim things as fact when they are clearly wrong is not "a point of view", it's an error.
Some people you say "make up their minds from the views of those who supposedly understand better"
So who's that, then? Who understands? How do we know they understand? How do we know they're not just spouting off in ignorance? It is necessary to put some effort into research to be able to know who's spouting off and who knows what they're on about.
You can't just say, for instance, "Oh I like so-and-so, and therefore he's right, or "Whatshisname likes cats but I like dogs so his understanding of horses is wrong". You need to have at least some understanding of horses to know who's right and who's wrong about the specifics. |
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Riejufixing wrote: |
Some people you say "make up their minds from the views of those who supposedly understand better"
So who's that, then? Who understands? How do we know they understand? How do we know they're not just spouting off in ignorance? It is necessary to put some effort into research to be able to know who's spouting off and who knows what they're on about. |
So come on then; why should we listen to your opinion? What qualifications do you have in this? And why do they trump those of so many others? Because you've read the WA and made some effort to understand it? And what if your understanding is wrong? I don't know who the hell you are! And this is what it comes down to for most - a matter of trust.
Some time ago, I asked you what you thought was the worst case scenario for the UK if we accepted the WA as it stands. If I remember rightly, you didn't get back to me on that. Who knows, it could be a convincing argument for me. My problem with it is, it seems to me to place the onus on being able to trust the EU, which I emphatically don't. You yourself said it is based largely on "good faith", whatever the hell that means in international law, and who would decide if someone were not acting in good faith, and what they could do about it.
But I think this is all largely academic anyway. Boris is not going to satisfy enough MPs to accept the WA even with an altered backstop. They've all shown their true colours, and the vast majority want Brexit scuppered, in any shape or form, even partial, maybe, with provisos or without. If you want out, that leaves only one other option - to fight for the clean break exit.
But if you wish to ignore all else I said, please at least accept the point that telling people to STFU isn't on. Unless it's Val. Or Scrat. Or similarly crazy people. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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f) During the subsequent transition period (which may be extended), the UK will remain a member of the European Economic Area, the single market and the customs union. EU laws will continue to apply and the UK will continue to pay into the EU budget. |
How long can it be extended for Jimbo, and on what basis might that happen? ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Riejufixing wrote: | Kawasaki Jimbo wrote: | Easy, Tiger. It was addressed way back, and mpd72 has just made the same points about May's Deal not being "Leave" at all. I'm surprised you've raised it again. |
That won't do. A non-answer as expected. Argue your point, use a reference (no, I'm not going to look for your imagined point myself, it;'s up to you to show it having yourself made a claim), or STFU. |
That's hilarious coming from the Ladybird book of Brexit poster.
You have no idea what the content of the WA means.
It's been pointed out to you time and time again, yet you still blindly carry on thinking it takes us out of the EU from Day1.
Nothing changes. It's just an invoice for £38BN payable immediately, on the promise that the EU will sit down and try to agree a process of us actually leaving, some time in the future. During this period, all current EU restrictions, laws and rules still apply.
Should they choose to want to milk us as a cash cow at the end of the WA period, all they need to do is not agree a future relationship. They can then tie us in as a vassal state to milk for net contributions as they see fit, for as long as they want.
Your ignorance over this matter has dragged on for so long, I was convinced you were an EU stooge, employed to go around forums trying to pretend this EU scripted WA was a good deal for the UK.
Have you not seen the hidden cam video of Verhofsdat and chums pissing themselves that May accepted all of the things they wanted in the deal and got none of what she asked for? You should try reality once in a while. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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Riejufixing wrote: | Kawasaki Jimbo wrote: | Ask yourself why you ever thought the deal was leaving the EU, then read again. |
Oh for Christ's sake not this crap again. Don't ask me to ask myself, you tell me.
You clearly don't think it's leaving the "eu", yet you're incapable of arguing. So I'll ask you a simple question about process:
Rearrange envisaged these events in time order:
a) Article 50 TEU completes.
b) The Withdrawal Agreement (this is what you call the "deal") is agreed.
c) The EU (Withdrawal) Act 2018 completes.
d) The WA starts.
e) We leave the EU. |
You have to be an EU stooge, nobody is that thick.
It's a period where we pay up front and the EU promises to sit down and talk about how we leave the EU, if at all. You generally don't leave before you work out the future relationship. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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Do you know, with the EU's stated declarations of wanting swift expansion to include Balkan states, and Verhofstadt's screaming about empire, I think the EU is placing itself firmly on a path towards war with Russia. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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chickenstrip wrote: | Do you know, with the EU's stated declarations of wanting swift expansion to include Balkan states, and Verhofstadt's screaming about empire, I think the EU is placing itself firmly on a path towards war with Russia. |
The next thing you know, the EU will be pushing for it's own army and holding "training excercises" show of forces with 18,000 mainly EU sourced, Nato troops along the Russian border.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/nato-accused-of-massing-troops-on-russian-border-fvpbhf3rj#
Oh and now Small Man Syndrome has sent a few of his own to back them up.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1116520/world-war-3-emmanuel-macron-french-troops-tanks-russia-border-nato-vladimir-putin
It's like the rise of Nazi Germany once again. People forget they were fanatical socialists, just like the Europhiles of today are, at the start.
We're better off out of this third attempt to build a European Empire. I'm not sure the US under Trump, will back the EU over attacking or deliberately pissing off Russia over the Ukraine. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 4 years, 224 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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