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G The Voice of Reason
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Posted: 10:23 - 23 Oct 2019 Post subject: ZX-25R - new Kawasaki 250cc 4 cylinder sports |
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Seems talk of this has been around for a while:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZnzJx1VyrY
Alas I suspect it may have to be built to a restrictive budget; but hopefully going to be interesting anyway. |
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Posted: 19:26 - 23 Oct 2019 Post subject: |
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Interesting. I can't find any confirmed specs (power, weight) for this. The '90's ZXR400 had a 2-stroke 250 sister but I can't imagine this will better either of those. |
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Hmmm? Promotional video tells you not a lot.
Ugly fairing/styling is ugly.
Yet it still holds an interest for me? Would like to know more ____________________ I am the sum total of my own existence, what went before makes me who I am now! |
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I don't think that cylinders maketh the bike these days tbh!
Forced is right, it's not a full on sports bike chassis, and it'll have minority appeal. Personally the 300cc Ninja engine had over 40bhp potential and I always argued it needed a proper chassis like an Aprilia RS or TZR250 one for example.
I think for the UK at least, what was the acceptability of small learner/stepping stone bikes has moved from 250cc to 300cc+. Look at how many more CBR500's they sell than Ninjas, R3's and KTM 390's.
The reason is that more capacity for your 47bhp means a lazy, torquey easier to ride and more flexible delivery. That's also why new 600/650cc bikes are all in the 800cc class for the same performance near enough. Young and old riders are less inclined to want to work a bike hard or want a frantic or focused but rewarding for high effort kind of bike.
As I've said before if they made an RGV250 or KR1 today, no one would buy one, as they'd see it as cramped, tiny, too focused, too fussy and too difficult to ride in modern road conditions. These young people are the ones who are going to embrace electric bikes hugely. The idea of easy to ride, massive torque and no gear changing or effort is a winner for these people.
It's come from cars too, where theres plenty of people now who won't buy a non turbocharged low end- mid range only performance delivery, because its easier to drive and less effort too. Give a young person a Civic type R or Clio RS200 and they won't be interested as its not an easy to drive fast low effort vehicle for example. |
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It's for the vast South East Asian market, no doubt. Import restrictions, eye-watering capacity-based tax rates, local cc restrictions, etc. 250cc is a limit I recall reading about in one of those countries (which buys many more bikes per year than all of Europe and Japan combined). Indonesia, Malaysia, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, etc. In cities there is a street racing culture, and everyone is used to riding and tuning 50cc peds and stripping down C90s. They (those who can afford it) will lap up this Kawasaki. Those tiny, high rear seat perches with high footrests for the passenger aren't designed to show off, say, American assets. |
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Lol!
KTM have a get out of jail, as because they sell so few bikes, and they are mostly all competition machines, they don't have to meet the same emissions regulations as say Yamaha or Kawasaki. They have managed (just) to make the TPI bikes road legal and pass emissions by fudging even these less stringent requirements. The 300 should make over 50bhp, but it's limited to 3/4 throttle and limited power electronically. They sell the bikes with two exhausts, the one fitted at the factory is full of catalysts, and it comes with a normal exhaust in the crate thats fitted by the dealer after PDI. Its not an answer to two stroke engine problems and limitations.
If you know about two strokes, you'll know that TPI results in a lower power output, and lower rpm ceiling. True DI is worse and on a 250cc cylinder capacity will severely restrict the maximum rpm so that you can't make enough power to beat the performance of a good four stroke engine of the same cc. So you have a pointless engine designed to just scrape through current emissions regs with no option to meet Euro5.
You couldn't make a good NSR mc21 today as it wouldn't perform as well as the original, but it'll still have crap mpg, burn oil, stink and have the drivability issues of a restricted two stroke. Taking you back to what Forced said.
Anyway your not a young up and coming biker, and your old enough like me to remember two strokes and ridden them. Try selling your mc21 NSR to an A2 restricted new rider who just wants a fuss free stylish modern bike, and has no maintenance skills, or interest in messing with bikes. They wouldn't accept it or the fussy nature or excessive running costs for limited benefit. They wouldn't want stinky clothes or to be seen to be ruining the planet either.
You and me are dying out, and so with us is the fuss and interest in two stroke bikes. You want a nice MC21, well I'd get one now for decent new bike money, and molly coddle it for a few years, but be sure to sell it at the right time before the nostalgia generation dye out and it becomes worthless again. |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 4 years, 210 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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