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I assume they can stop the test there and then if they deem it dangerous enough. Caliper only had one bolt in it, and that was loose - How the fuck you don't notice that is beyond me, but it takes all sorts.
Pretty sure someone on here is a class 1/2 tester, he would be the man to ask for clarification, but that's what happened. We only really talked about the timing aspect before I wheeled mine in and went to gawp at shiny Italian bikes. |
That would be me, don't think I'm the only one though.
You have to have the reg number and the last six characters of the VIN to log the test on, so it's meant to be best practice to give the bike a quick walk round as you take notes, before logging on.
If you find something dangerous, you can refuse to test (I did this with an Electra Glide that was presented with an oil leak and I told the guy if it leaked onto the back wheel and it started going over on the roller test, I wasn't going to stop it hitting the deck) which obviously has no effect on your average test time, because you never actually start it.
On the other hand, if you find something dangerous during the test, you can abandon, but that means you stop the test early
You can do the test sequences in any order you like, so if I was testing, I do the front end inspections first and if I found a dangerously defective brake, I would have a choice of continuing and abandoning before I do the last thing, which in my case is the brake rollers; if your man did the brake test at the beginning, he would stop there, because you don't normally break your routine.
As I think you said earlier, there isn't a target time, but you're nominally given 25 minutes to do a bike test, so that's the baseline number they use to determine if you're above or below average.
Stopping a test after 5 minutes would drag your daily average down, so you would have to extend a few later tests to bring it back up again.
Not sure I would be bothered though, over a week/month/year it's not going to make much difference, unless he was already on an amber light and thought he was being watched.
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If there was something such as a loose calliper would you not continue the test (knowing it had failed anyhow) so the rider then gets a full list what’s wrong, excuding anything you thought was dangerous, obviously?
In theory otherwise you could end up doing a test umpteen times if you started the first, stopped it immediately, that goes away and gets fixed, returns, fails on something else, sent away, and so on? Wouldn’t one list after the first test be beneficial- for both parties?
I’d like to think that nobody had such a wreck on the roads, but, well, you know... |
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| 1198 wrote: | If there was something such as a loose calliper would you not continue the test (knowing it had failed anyhow) so the rider then gets a full list what’s wrong, excuding anything you thought was dangerous, obviously?
In theory otherwise you could end up doing a test umpteen times if you started the first, stopped it immediately, that goes away and gets fixed, returns, fails on something else, sent away, and so on? Wouldn’t one list after the first test be beneficial- for both parties?
I’d like to think that nobody had such a wreck on the roads, but, well, you know... |
Yes, they do all the tests (or should do) as I had the old "turd scooter" fail on many unrelated things (I knew it would) which gave me a nice list of things to work on.
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| 1198 wrote: | If there was something such as a loose calliper would you not continue the test (knowing it had failed anyhow) so the rider then gets a full list what’s wrong, excuding anything you thought was dangerous, obviously?
In theory otherwise you could end up doing a test umpteen times if you started the first, stopped it immediately, that goes away and gets fixed, returns, fails on something else, sent away, and so on? Wouldn’t one list after the first test be beneficial- for both parties?
I’d like to think that nobody had such a wreck on the roads, but, well, you know... |
Depends on what the outcome of continuing is likely to be.
In Dippy's example of a loose caliper and assuming I'm right and the tester was going on the rollers very early on, there is a risk of damaging the machine, the equipment and the tester if, say, the caliper fell off and jammed in the wheel - in that case, the tester is well within his rights to abandon the test, on the basis that continuing has a potential risk.
In my example with the Harley, not only was there a risk of all those things, but I was also going to leave a trail of oil all over the workshop floor, so I elected not to allow the bike in the test area.
To be fair, there aren't many things that would cause you to abandon a test, as long as the bike is stationary. Most things I can think of would involve something going wrong when the wheels are being rotated on the rollers.
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| 1198 wrote: | If there was something such as a loose calliper would you not continue the test (knowing it had failed anyhow) so the rider then gets a full list what’s wrong, excuding anything you thought was dangerous, obviously? . |
Yes that's how it's supposed to work, if a caliper was loose, that wouldn't prevent the steering head bearing being checked etc.
It used to be that you couldn't complete a test without doing a brake test so it had to be abandoned, you could still do as much as possible before stopping but as you couldn't do a retest, had to do another full test, it wasn't always the most practical way to move forward.
However now there's a failure for not being able to do a brake test so there would really be no need to abandon a test in the example given, Complete the test, fail for caliper loose and fail for Unable to test brake performance. Then retest when it's fixed on just those items.
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But there's lots of things I and others have on our bikes that should be MOT failure points, but I don't think they should be if not done to silly extremes. I'm talking about non OEM parts and aftermarket parts like smaller numberplate holders, bits marked not for road use if they are sound and secure, and in one of my bikes cases a powder coated frame where the numbers are no longer visible. |
Neither bolded item is an mot failure, the frame number doesn't have to visiblwe if the VIN is also somewhere else, smaller number plate? maybe, but the holder just has to hold the plate secure, nothing else. Greed on the not for road use though, if an exhaust is to noisy it fails, insecure, fail so why fail just for a stamping? tyres are different though.
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It's a safety test, not a noise test. |
I get that but it always makes me wonder why some testers put `noisy exhaust` on as an advisory. Knowing the tester helps though, no two ways about it. |
It's an arse covering exercise.
I can't remember the exact wording, but aftermarket exhausts are meant to be along the lines of "sounding similar to a factory system" - clearly there are some systems that do, but a lot more that don't.
Bike testers tend to be into bikes and I don't know many people that are into bikes, but are against a fruity sounding exhaust, so it follows that a lot of testers are going to turn a deaf ear to a loud pipe.
As it stands, we don't have to use a decibel meter to measure exhaust noise, so we cover our arses by advising it, there's no prescribed way of determining if we're right or wrong.
My own excuse is that I'm genuinely a bit mutton, but that doesn't stop me enjoying the sound of a big Duke on a set of Termis 
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It's an arse covering exercise
As it stands, we don't have to use a decibel meter to measure exhaust noise, so we cover our arses by advising it, there's no prescribed way of determining if we're right or wrong.
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That's it in a nutshell, if you take a bike in with a noisy pipe and the tester passes it but makes no mention, then a VOSA VE rocks up and asks to retest the Bike (has happened to me with cars several times over the years) if he decides the bike should have failed, which is the prescribed method of determining if your wrong, you'll get 20 points aginst you in the assessment, if you advise it it'll be 5 points maybe 10 if it's really really noisy, or even none if it's only slightly (in his opinion) too noisy.
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