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Posted: 07:15 - 06 Nov 2019 Post subject: Re: New Member/Bike |
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Easy-X wrote: | 73trident wrote: | ...Even so, it is still a lot cheaper than a Triumph and just as good. |
As I've just spat my tea out you owe me a new keyboard, sir! |
Having owned an America from new (Bonneville, but just more cruiser like), and owned an Interceptor since March, I find the Interceptor so much better than the Triumph, in every aspect. And, to top it off, with no more a strict cleaning regime as I had with the America, there's no sign of corrosion on the Interceptor, withing 6 months there was plenty of corrosion on the triumph ____________________ Beware what photos you upload, or link to on here, especially if you have family members on them |
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Easy-X wrote: | Just one of those pointless apples vs oranges things - the Interceptor's a perfectly good bike. |
It is a perfectly good bike, and a comparison listing the problems during the first 6 months ownership ..
Triumph America..
1. ECU remap required
(Still didn't fix engine randomly cutting out,
was not fixed in the 4 years I stuck with it)
2. Laquer on forks etc, crazing, metal whitening/furring,
Braided pipes rusting, exhaust mounts rusting.
3. Rear tyre valve fubed, causing a flat (Tyre was fine)
After that initial 6 months, the America continued to go downhill. Before I bought the America, I'd intended at some point to buy a Rocket, but, after my experience, I'll never buy another Triumph. The dealership were rubbish, granted, they lost the Triumph franchise a few years after I'd bought my America, but, even so, as they say, once bitten and all that ..
The Interceptor
No problems at all ____________________ Beware what photos you upload, or link to on here, especially if you have family members on them |
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NakedBiker wrote: | Perhaps you were unlucky!
I don't think you can compare a RE to a Triumph. One is budget, and one is more premium. It's only "just as good" if you don't mind cheaper components and materials. |
No, don't think I was, plenty of other instances of iffy build quality on Triumphs, granted not all, but quality does seem to be a bit inconsistent.
And, yes I can compare, having owned, both from new, and the RE wins hands down on quality and ridability, for one thing, doesn't randomly cut out on me. Also, as yet, no sign of any corrosion on the RE, again, the same couldn't have been said for the Triumph.
So, if by premium you mean, poor build quality, poor failing components, then, I'm glad I have a budget RE now, as that doesn't suffer with any of that. ____________________ Beware what photos you upload, or link to on here, especially if you have family members on them |
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Easy-X wrote: | I suppose that's the thing: there's so many "components" to bike ownership over the actual bike:
Design, quality of components, assembly standards, dealer support... |
You're right, the Wolverhampton Triumph dealership closed down, and, then the nearest dealership was over 30 miles away once that happened, and even now, the neatest is still at least 15 miles away. There are 2 Royal Enfield dealerships at, or even less than that distance from me..
Again, reliability, RE, wins hands down
Quality of components, RE wins hands down
Quality of dealership (when the Triumph dealership was open), the nearest RE dealership, again, wins hands down.
All this is based on actual ownership of the bikes. ____________________ Beware what photos you upload, or link to on here, especially if you have family members on them |
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NakedBiker wrote: | 73trident wrote: |
Very soon during the running in period I found the rear suspension units to be so bad that I ordered replacements from Tec Bikes. |
Enough said... |
Well, I can't say that that is my experience, as I have already said, in my experience of ownership of both, the RE wins hand downs against the Triumph.
So, are you speaking from your own experience, that allows to to make your own judgement, if so, how do you find riding the RE, or, even the Triumph for that matter, which have you owned and as such been able to make a like for like comparison. Oh, and I don't mean just taken for a test ride, that really doesn't count !! ____________________ Beware what photos you upload, or link to on here, especially if you have family members on them |
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linuxyeti wrote: | After that initial 6 months, the America continued to go downhill. Before I bought the America, I'd intended at some point to buy a Rocket, but, after my experience, I'll never buy another Triumph. |
You do realise that you're a stuck record?
You've been moaning about that particular Triumph for over four years.
And you've been dogmatically, evangelically, vehemently promoting the build and ride quality of every random, derivative, unoriginal, uninspiring, un-heard-of, and unsupported, cheap Chinese manufactured bike you've managed to lay your hands on.
First of all, you choose a particularly naff Triumph. I've owned a couple of Street Triple models which were impeccably built, completely reliable, and offered astonishing performance-per-pound. Near perfect motorcycles.
As for the rest of the range, I know plenty of Triumph owners, who've had years of experience owning many Triumph models. Almost none of them have had anything bad to say about their bikes.
The current models are built to a standard that matches top end Japanese stiff, with finishing up there with Ducati. And they're British - probably the biggest British motor industry success story of the last 25 years. Who could have imagined that they would be the exclusive engine supplier for Moto2?! It's absolutely fantastic - We mustn't be blindly patriotic about it, but it's not happened by accident, and it should be celebrated.
Regardless, I'm sure you'll keep moaning about your rusty Triumph America at every opportunity, and promoting meh bikes made by here-today, gone-tomorrow Chinese brands. Whatever makes you happy ____________________ Current: Ducati Panigale R / Ducati Streetfighter S / Suzuki GSX-R1000 L5 |
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Alex A wrote: | linuxyeti wrote: | After that initial 6 months, the America continued to go downhill. Before I bought the America, I'd intended at some point to buy a Rocket, but, after my experience, I'll never buy another Triumph. |
You do realise that you're a stuck record?
You've been moaning about that particular Triumph for over four years.
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Do I, well, that shows consistency, there are only 2 bikes I've ever actually been glad to get shot of, the Triumph, and the Divvy 600 I had
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And you've been dogmatically, evangelically, vehemently promoting the build and ride quality of every random, derivative, unoriginal, uninspiring, un-heard-of, and unsupported, cheap Chinese manufactured bike you've managed to lay your hands on.
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If you say so, still those other Japanese, Chinese, Korean and Indian manufactured bikes have had far better build quality, and been more reliable than my Triumph was
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First of all, you choose a particularly naff Triumph. I've owned a couple of Street Triple models which were impeccably built, completely reliable, and offered astonishing performance-per-pound. Near perfect motorcycles.
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... but i thought there was no such thing as a naff Triumph, which is to be?
As for the rest of the range, I know plenty of Triumph owners, who've had years of experience owning many Triumph models. Almost none of them have had anything bad to say about their bikes.
The current models are built to a standard that matches top end Japanese stiff, with finishing up there with Ducati. And they're British - probably the biggest British motor industry success story of the last 25 years. Who could have imagined that they would be the exclusive engine supplier for Moto2?! It's absolutely fantastic - We mustn't be blindly patriotic about it, but it's not happened by accident, and it should be celebrated.
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Indeed, yes, and should be built in Thailand or Brazil, where labour is cheap and quality high, yes Brazil based manufacturing worked out well for Honda??
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Regardless, I'm sure you'll keep moaning about your rusty Triumph America at every opportunity, and promoting meh bikes made by here-today, gone-tomorrow Chinese brands. Whatever makes you happy |
mmm, ok, well, it appears your geography and knowledge of manufacturers leaves a bit to be desired, but, hey ho. Oh, and of course, Triumph are pretty much only linked to the original Triumph in name only.
Also, if you care to look properly, the new Royal Enfields are designed and tested in Bruntingthorpe, the frames are designed by Harris Performance, granted now owned by the same owners as Royal Enfield. The Royal Enfield 650's are as equally British as a Thai built Thruxton ____________________ Beware what photos you upload, or link to on here, especially if you have family members on them |
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linuxyeti wrote: | Triumph are pretty much only linked to the original Triumph in name only. |
Triuph was founded by a German, to sell Coventry build bicycles in central Europe...... given what the Jerries did to the place I guess they didn't like them much.... Sigfried Betterman, was the founder's name. I can't remember which street his fist warehouse was on, it probably got coventrated to oblivion, in the 40's, anyway. Jack Sangster then bought the company, just before it was hit by a jerry bomb, and the company became one of the Brit-Bike 'giants' ultimately incorporated into the BSA group, with Sangster taking a share and Edward Turner a seat on the board.
The bikes of this middle era were 'mostly' built about a dozen miles from me in Meriden, the geographic centre of mainland Britain
A Chap called John Bloor, acquired the Meriden works, in the 1980's. It had been leased to the worker's co-op, of the '70's to continue building the aged twins, and Bloor, a builder, bought it as Land to develop. Its a ruddy great housing estate now.
He was however convinced to have a crack at making motorbikes, and shown the 'Modular Concept, that had been pioneered under Turner, when he went off to build British Superdreams, in Brum; The BSA 'Fury' and the Triumph 'Bandit'... oh.. that cant be right, the Bandit was a Suziki, some 30 years later Anyway, Bloor looked the modular concept, sceptically, and hired Ricardo engineering to give a 2nd opinion... so they copied the Kawasaki ZX10, and lopped a pot off the end! And the 'Hinkley' Triumph works was founded to build them, with later designs strategically subbed out to eastern countries, where a lot of bits were sourced anyway.
SO... when you start criticising other folks 'Geography'... take care.... the company has had at least three distinct phases, with four distinct phases of ownership, one of them 100% German; had at least three distinct sites of manufacture, in the UK, but always sub-contracted in large chunks of the bikes they built, and the relation ship between sites and models is at best teniouse, over a century of 'existence' as a market entity, with little relationship between the different era's.
B-U-T..... this is 'Show and Tell'.... There's a lot of tell, what about the show? ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
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