How would you vote in a general election tomorrow?

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[Im-a-Ridah]

A bit of a weird policy, sounds like it was cooked up by someone who works in an office in whitehall and doesn't understand ordinary people. One Labour MP said fibre to the home would help reduce unemployment? LOLWUT? Jobseekers can use the library, job centre, or their mobile phone to access job sites. They also claimed it will help the rollout of robotics in industry, well if a company can afford robots and people to run them which cost millions then a fibre broadband connection is going to be a tiny tiny rounding error on monthly costs. Its Diane Abbott economics.

Free home internet also makes little sense. For a start it is in 10 years time so the policy might not even be that relevant when it is introduced. With the 5G rollout most people should have 5G or even 6G access by then and probably for the equivalent of about £10 a month for 5G. A better idea would be for the government to provide more free wifi points with higher data rates around the country to drive up the quality of the majority private sector offerings, and to speed up 5G delivery. This will encourage more people to go outside to leisure areas and shopping places which would actually boost the economy for real, albeit a small amount.

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[stevo as b4]

Anyone investing in comms would be mad not to underestimate the importance of 5G and public WiFi hot spots going forward. There's some willy waving in this industry about network top rate download speeds, but past 80-100mbps it's not really important.

Small home run or high street businesses sure can benefit from Fibre, but Ethernet is far cheaper now than it was even 5years ago, and any med size business will be keen to take advantage of that and the benefits.

The important thing is getting the country onto a level playing field of reasonable speed broadband, especially in the achievable rural areas. The outer Hebridies have fibre broadband and so its achievable anywhere if people want it enough and especially if people are prepared to get involved in getting it installed.

Theres lots of ways of getting sensible speed broadband (100mbps) into communities, but ripping up every street to put a cable to every house, shop, caravan and shack isn't the cost effective answer to doing it.

Anyway my take is that if Labour got in, they'd have to nationalise every industry and every comms network company. They'd bankrupt the country and ruin investment and enterprise and healthy competition doing it. This in turn would put 1000's of people out of work and they'd be in more shit than they ever could imagine.

[stinkwheel]

Free broadband but you still pay for drinking water.

Nice to see priorities being kept up.

He also, shockingly, seems to be utterly ignorant of this being an ongoing cost, not just an up-front purchase. Putting in the network is only the start of the expense if you're not going to charge for it. Added to which, the infrastructure will probably be obsolete by the time a state-owned megalith has got round to actually building it.

He also hasn't made any allowances for the ongoing pension liabilities of BT employees which rely in part on profit. You don't make a profit if you give your service away so that will all be to pay for too.

The man is a badly-advised marxist idiot. Whatever you vote people, PLEASE do not put this plum in power. I'd even rather have the Greens running round spending imaginary money because at least they'll have something to show for it at the end of the day.

I think Margret Thatcher summed it up:

"Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They always run out of other people’s money."
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[Lord Percy]

It has been argued by none other than an ex Tory spin doctor (or something along those lines - anyway he's ex Tory something) that the hysteria around broadband has played well into Labour's election campaign.

Not because of it being a good or bad idea, but because the chatter about this, along with the recent floods that tied up the PM, have created a fantastic deflection away from the Tory campaign message which was originally "Get Brexit Done".

With the nation's focus being diverted toward Anything But Brexit, it may well be that people start to see the light, and realise that the Conservatives as they currently are have nothing at all to offer the country but more decimation of public services and upward transfer of wealth. No wonder they aren't publishing their manifesto until two weeks before the election date. They have nothing to offer apart from Brexit!

[Hawkeye1250FA]

I think you underestimate how badly people want Brexit finished tbh.

Nothing short of nuclear war with Russia will distract properly from it.
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[Polarbear]

We have just had fibre put in on our estate by Vodafone so we now have BT broadband up to about 48 gigadoubreys or whatever it's called or up to 500 thingys from Vodafone.

I want Jeremy to buy the Vodafone one please. No second rate BT crap for me when it's a free service. Oh, and can you pay off my BT contract at the same time?

Ta muchly Mr. Moneybags.
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[stinkwheel]

I do wonder what may have been announced quietly today while the gutter press are all baying after pizza-express-gate.
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[Hawkeye1250FA]

So.

Just to be clear.

Your counter-arguement for stinkwheel saying Corbyn will spend all our money and lead the country to ruin is to ignore what he said completely and simply state what a bad job the Tories are doing?

I do agree btw that more money needs to be put into the NHS / police / schools now as well.

What I dont understand is why people find it odd that during a period of austerity - less money is spent on these things. Surely it doesnt take a genius to work that out.

The difference between the Torys and Labour as far as I can see is Labour would have happily carried on spending throughout the last 8 years and we would be in an even worse position that we are now.

imo obviously.
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[Polarbear]

Using government figures - ball park version.

1950 - 50 million in UK, less than 1 million non ethnic Britons.

2011 - 65 million in UK (yeah right more than that in reality)

Breakdown of figures -
White British - 55 million - 10 million others

So in 1 generation Britain has acquired 9+ million immigrants and their offspring or put another way roughly 1/6 of the population of this country has come from a foreign land in the last 61 years.

Now whatever the rights and wrongs about immigration you can't absorb that number of people and it's showing with creaky education, a stretched NHS and not enough homes for everyone.

We have to get immigration under control because it's only going worse as more and more people move due to wars, famine and every other reason they have to come to the Nirvana they believe the UK is.
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[Polarbear]

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I see BoJo has gone back on the promise the Tories made to businesses when they started their double taxation, dividend scam.

They started charging directors and shareholders a personal tax on money taken out of the company, which had already been taxed at 19%.
It caused an outrage as the bare minimum tax rate with both taxes included was 26.5%. The top level is crazy and over 89% combined.
To quell the unrest, the Tories promised to drop corporation tax by 2% to make up for this blatant tax grab.
He’s cancelled it.

This hurts small to medium sized businesses who pay proper tax. I makes no different to the tax dodging internationals.

Bastards. Definitely not getting my vote now. As a lower rate earned, i was going to be laying an additional £1500 in tax this year, now it’s £2300.
Could you imagine the shit fest if PAYE earners in the lower bracket suddenly got screwed over for an extra £2300 in tax a year?

“Conservative” my arse. SME’s are just easy pickings for them.
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