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I sometimes run windows 7 in a virtual machine in Linux mint Debian Remix when the wifes garmin needs a software update (it can do the rest through the router).
This and altering the settings on my action cam are pretty much the only thing I've come across that I actually can't do on Linux.
Am I going to need to pirate a windows 10 ISO file from somewhere now?
Mrs stinkwheel uses ordinary Linux mint on her laptop, she certainly can't use the command line. I haven't had to touch it for ages. The only problem we really had with it was getting it to boot into the USB stick because it came with windows 8 which was a total abortion and had locked out the normal boot menu. Got it sussed in the end though.
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Downloaded the latest Win 10 ISO direct from Microsoft today using this method, no problem.
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To be fair with consumer use of Windows 10 you rarely need to touch the command line. But for business use it's pretty much essential... and on top of that you have some things you can do in Command Prompt (the old DOS box) and some in PowerShell - both operating entirely differently. Throw in the Linux subsystem and you could argue there are three command line interfaces to learn in Windows 10
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They say this with every release. I check and its basically the same as before. Even if they fixed the lousy UI and put a proper modern UI in place I still couldn't use it because the IDE I do most of my dev work in isn't supported on Linux. If people just want to do basic stuff like go on the internet, edit documents etc then they are all equivalent really. I want to do a lot of more advanced tasks and I can do them on windows but I would have to relearn to do them on Linux, and that is massive waste of time. |
Funny that, the last 2 places I've worked (totaling 20 years) the devs have all used Linux or Mac desktops. Databases, have been Oracle & Postgres, application servers have been Oracle Apps, Oracle E-Business, bespoke Java apps running in tomcat containers, more recently in my newer role, php, Node & mongo as well, all development tools available on Linux & Mac.
What's there to re-learn? Node, sql, psql, sqlplus, java, javascript, php, perl same language across the multiple platforms.
As for home use, no, there really isn't any need for the command line, my dad uses linux, and to put it mildly, he's a technophobe, my mum before she corked it also only used linux, my daughter uses Linux, and, has no issue switching between Windows & associated apps at school, and Linux and equivalents at home. As for photo editing, browsing, music editing, video editing and other standard type uses, again, any linux desktop from the last 7 or 8 years, you wouldn't have to resort to the command line, nothing stopping you if you want, but certainly no need to.
Also, to be fair, for the vast majority of home/casual users, it's a pretty mute point, as if what they want can't be installed from Google Play store onto an android device, they probably wouldn't use it. Home PC ownership is really becoming a thing of the past. More services are cloud based, probably hosted on EC2 instances in AWS, with storage on s3 buckets, without the end user even realising. ____________________ Beware what photos you upload, or link to on here, especially if you have family members on them |
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linuxyeti wrote: | Im-a-Ridah wrote: |
They say this with every release. I check and its basically the same as before. Even if they fixed the lousy UI and put a proper modern UI in place I still couldn't use it because the IDE I do most of my dev work in isn't supported on Linux. If people just want to do basic stuff like go on the internet, edit documents etc then they are all equivalent really. I want to do a lot of more advanced tasks and I can do them on windows but I would have to relearn to do them on Linux, and that is massive waste of time. |
Funny that, the last 2 places I've worked (totaling 20 years) the devs have all used Linux or Mac desktops. Databases, have been Oracle & Postgres, application servers have been Oracle Apps, Oracle E-Business, bespoke Java apps running in tomcat containers, more recently in my newer role, php, Node & mongo as well, all development tools available on Linux & Mac.
What's there to re-learn? Node, sql, psql, sqlplus, java, javascript, php, perl same language across the multiple platforms.
As for home use, no, there really isn't any need for the command line, my dad uses linux, and to put it mildly, he's a technophobe, my mum before she corked it also only used linux, my daughter uses Linux, and, has no issue switching between Windows & associated apps at school, and Linux and equivalents at home. As for photo editing, browsing, music editing, video editing and other standard type uses, again, any linux desktop from the last 7 or 8 years, you wouldn't have to resort to the command line, nothing stopping you if you want, but certainly no need to.
Also, to be fair, for the vast majority of home/casual users, it's a pretty mute point, as if what they want can't be installed from Google Play store onto an android device, they probably wouldn't use it. Home PC ownership is really becoming a thing of the past. More services are cloud based, probably hosted on EC2 instances in AWS, with storage on s3 buckets, without the end user even realising. |
I'm sure they did since most web back end services run on Linux. However, I don't run web services, and I don't code web services. About the most web thing I ever did was some DB interaction and a socket in Java I think Most of what I do is ARM microcontrollers, Windows only. |
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Linux is fine, but it simply doesn't have the reach or scope in terms of what people can do with it.
I've tried the open source Linux alternatives for major utilities, like Open Office (or Libre Office or whatever it's called), GIMP, and a few other bits and bats. They're all miles away from the Windows versions i.e. MS Office, Photoshop etc. Windows also has more games, and it's less fiddly to get stuff done. Doing stuff via a command line isn't my idea of fun or convenience, sorry.
As for Windows 10, I think it's way better than Windows 7. Sure, loads of settings are hidden away in a dark corner and it has an annoying mollycoddled facade of unhelpfulness over everything, but it just doesn't bother me enough to wish I still had Windows 7. I wrote some software targeting Win 7 a few months ago and it was just a pain in the arse to do. Felt archaic. Windows 10 all the way for me. |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 4 years, 98 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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