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PostPosted: 01:44 - 02 Feb 2020    Post subject: Road safety idea: Traffic light power failure Reply with quote

I don't recall what the Highway Code says about it but in the US any traffic light that has failed must be treated as a "STOP" sign.

Now, 'muricans being numpties people just freak out and cause intersection pile-ups. To combat this some municipalities have folded down stop signs at the ready on the traffic light poles that can be manually opened up by some passing highways worker (I guess while they're fixing the problem.)

This seems dumb.

How about the sign opens automatically on power failure? For example: a simple electromagnet holds the sign closed and on power failure it just falls open. Someone would obviously have to go round to manually close it but probably they'd be going there anyway to fix the lights.

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PostPosted: 09:07 - 02 Feb 2020    Post subject: Re: Road safety idea: Traffic light power failure Reply with quote

Random problem you have brought up, but a good idea. Problem is , is that you would have to fit these magnets to every single stop sign in the us, and this will cost the tax payers mega money, as it will all have to be done by some kind of specialist magnet man, who will charge $1000 per stop sign.

besides, the us taxpayer would probably rather be spent bombing some random country or building a wall, than actually solving structural issues
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PostPosted: 09:18 - 02 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what Ive seen in the UK at least many junctions seem to flow better when the lights have failed....
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PostPosted: 09:25 - 02 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

1198 wrote:
From what Ive seen in the UK at least many junctions seem to flow better when the lights have failed....

Undoubtedly true, however lights can be deliberately made to break traffic flows so people can cross on foot or get out of other side roads.
If they were all turned off things would generally flow much better than you'd think but it might look a bit like India at times.
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PostPosted: 10:06 - 02 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

The journey to work is a lot shorter when the traffic lights on every bastard roundabout fail.
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PostPosted: 10:15 - 02 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

it takes roughley an hour to drive from one side of Worcester to the other in the mornings


once there was a power cut and we managed it in about ten minutes

main problem in Worcester is pedestrian crossings every 100 yards half of which have stuck buttons so activate as soon as they go from green man to red man
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PostPosted: 10:25 - 02 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Problems

1. The cost of installation. Probably thousands per unit. 2+ men + van + equipment.

2. Any momentary power interruption causes these signs to fall open. You then need to send someone out to put these signs back up. More cost and more disruption to traffic systems.

3. Kids would no doubt cut the power or whatever to set these off once they found out how they work.

4. It is much easier just to have a rule like "If there are no lights, treat it as a stop sign" and pass all liability on to the drivers.
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PostPosted: 10:35 - 02 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Admit it - you have no beer and are tidying up. You found a big box of electromagnets and want to sell them..
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PostPosted: 11:58 - 02 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Artist wrote:

2. Any momentary power interruption causes these signs to fall open. You then need to send someone out to put these signs back up. More cost and more disruption to traffic systems.


Or when the power is back on, a motor pulls them back in.

But then it would cost twice as much because, as well as the specialist magnet man, there'd also need to be a specialist magnet motor man.
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PostPosted: 12:04 - 02 Feb 2020    Post subject: Re: Road safety idea: Traffic light power failure Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:
I don't recall what the Highway Code says about it but in the US any traffic light that has failed must be treated as a "STOP" sign.

It's approximately the same in the UK.

A quick Google later...

"176
You MUST NOT move forward over the white line when the red light is showing. Only go forward when the traffic lights are green if there is room for you to clear the junction safely or you are taking up a position to turn right. If the traffic lights are not working, treat the situation as you would an unmarked junction and proceed with great care.
Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10 & 36"

https://www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/road-junctions.html
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PostPosted: 12:16 - 02 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

And tootle your horn melodiously

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PostPosted: 14:49 - 02 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

BEEP BEEP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111
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PostPosted: 19:06 - 02 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

1198 wrote:
From what Ive seen in the UK at least many junctions seem to flow better when the lights have failed....


True.

It becomes an unmarked junction and since nobody has right of way, British people tend to go carefully, take turns and traffic flows well.

When Carlisle flooded, the traffic lights on the big Hardwick Circus roundabout were out for months and it was noted that the traffic had never flowed better.

They re-instated them but only turn them on now when traffic starts backing up on the roundabout.

The stop sign idea wont fly here because we don't have 4-way stops so people don't know how to use them. Americans have 4-way stops instead of roundabouts.
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PostPosted: 19:56 - 02 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
The stop sign idea wont fly here because we don't have 4-way stops so people don't know how to use them. Americans have 4-way stops instead of roundabouts.


Aha Thumbs Up

There has been an argument for doing away with everything Shocked

No lights, no roundabouts, no signs, no road markings... no pavements! Zero "street furniture." The thinking being that with no delineated areas for people to walk, drive or ride that everyone will be a bit more cautious and the herd will keep everything flowing.
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PostPosted: 20:41 - 02 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Forget magnet and motor man..you need a bog standard electrican.

install led 'STOP' sign on lights.
Install Battery.
Fit relay.
Relay held shut by normal lights power.
On power fail battery power is routed via relay to light 'STOP' sign.

On power restore lights come on and stop light goes out.

Still cost a fortune though.
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PostPosted: 13:47 - 03 Feb 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:


Aha Thumbs Up

There has been an argument for doing away with everything Shocked

No lights, no roundabouts, no signs, no road markings... no pavements! Zero "street furniture." The thinking being that with no delineated areas for people to walk, drive or ride that everyone will be a bit more cautious and the herd will keep everything flowing.


It's how it used to be. Very little by way of road markings. This 60's motorcycle safety film shows how little street furniture, signage and road markings there were. Also how few cars.

https://youtu.be/ViSyN0T2-G4
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