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PostPosted: 19:07 - 23 Mar 2020    Post subject: Not sure if this is true or not, brake discs. Reply with quote

So I took my bike for it's MOT today and was told the front discs are slightly warped (only advisory), the tester was telling me that if the bike sits for a while then this can happen because of the pressure from the brake pads on the discs... and that if the bike isn't going to be used for a while it's better to push the pads back a bit so they aren't resting on the disc.


Anyone heard of this before?
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PostPosted: 19:15 - 23 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, not heard that the disc can deform from constant contact and pressure from pads while stationary. My Kawasaki project bike (now wrecked) had been left sitting for years, and the brake pads had seized to the discs. This was fixed by rebuilding the calipers. The discs were fine.
However, that isn't to say your discs aren't warped for some other reason.

If I had to lay up a bike for a while, I would remove the calipers from the discs altogether. It's true they seize up from being left alone.
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PostPosted: 19:24 - 23 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

He's full of shit. The reason for pressing pads away from the disc is to stop them binding from rust. If you have the type of pads that can do that you can get a pulsing lever for a while as the disc passes over the rust pitting but as for simple pad pressure warping the disc, no, he's full of it.
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PostPosted: 19:45 - 23 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought it might have been garage BS, but at least this place didn't offer to sell me new discs.

Thinking about it, the longest the bike hasn't been moved is about 3 months, my (ex) VFR sat for the best part of 2 years without even being moved, and just needed brute force and ignorance to push out of my lockup.
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PostPosted: 12:05 - 24 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just tell him you wrapped an elastic band around the opposite side of the disk when it was stored to make sure it evened out Rolling Eyes

If the disks were that soft, they'd fall apart with normal use.
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PostPosted: 14:23 - 24 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's virtually no pressure on the discs at "rest" otherwise you'd never be able to move the bike. They barely scrape the surface until they're applied.
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PostPosted: 14:30 - 24 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThunderGuts wrote:
There's virtually no pressure on the discs at "rest" otherwise you'd never be able to move the bike. They barely scrape the surface until they're applied.


Exactly!If the caliper floats on pins it may be partially seized, distorting the disc when applied, the pads should barely touch the disc at rest
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PostPosted: 14:44 - 24 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThunderGuts wrote:
There's virtually no pressure on the discs at "rest" otherwise you'd never be able to move the bike. They barely scrape the surface until they're applied.


I was going to say the same thing, as soon as you let off the brake lever, there should be no pressure on the disk, the pads will be "at rest" against the disk, but not applying any pressure
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PostPosted: 14:47 - 24 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had similar in the past but the mechanic told me disc locks tended to be the cause
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PostPosted: 15:28 - 24 Mar 2020    Post subject: Re: Not sure if this is true or not, brake discs. Reply with quote

andym wrote:
So I took my bike for it's MOT today and was told the front discs are slightly warped (only advisory), the tester was telling me that if the bike sits for a while then this can happen because of the pressure from the brake pads on the discs... and that if the bike isn't going to be used for a while it's better to push the pads back a bit so they aren't resting on the disc.


Anyone heard of this before?


Yep it happens with sintered pads. The discs and pads corrode where they touch and then when the bike is used the pads remove the corrosion and can leave a low spot on the discs.
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PostPosted: 16:21 - 24 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Warping from constant pressure and pitting from corrosion are not even close to being the same thing.
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PostPosted: 17:37 - 24 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
Warping from constant pressure and pitting from corrosion are not even close to being the same thing.


Agreed but the end effect is the same on a brake tester.

Chances are the MOT man was repeating what he had been told without truly understanding what was going on.
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PostPosted: 17:41 - 24 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

In this day and age there should not be any "ignorant MOT testers " left working
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PostPosted: 09:10 - 25 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a £40k surface table & a horrifically expensive ruby tipped CNC measuring arm to prove this . . .

I offer a bounty of £10k to anyone who can produce a genuine, physically warped brake disk. They simply don't exist & the phenomena that is wrongly described as "it's a warped disk innit mate" is something entirely different from a physically warped disk.

P.S. Don't go whacking it with an hammer or pressing it with 4tons of hydraulics . . . We can tell.
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PostPosted: 09:15 - 25 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tankie wrote:
In this day and age there should not be any "ignorant MOT testers " left working


For somebody who has this
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as there sig that's rather a shocking statement.
The MOT tester has identified a problem but got the reason wrong. You also didn't get the correct reason does this mean you shouldn't be allowed to comment in the workshop?
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PostPosted: 09:17 - 25 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back in the late 80's Yamaha had an issue with warped discs ( FZ, FZR ) caused by semi seized calipers. just because your an engineer does no make you right !
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PostPosted: 09:24 - 25 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sickpup , MOT tester now have to go though a much longer education process to get their licence , and go through regular up date course to retain their ticket , so they should be able to give a proper valid reason why he/ she feels that the machine does not comply with the standards required.
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PostPosted: 10:24 - 25 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tankie wrote:
everyday is a school day


Your lesson for today is that "every day" is two words. The single word "everyday" is an adjective meaning "commonplace" or "nothing special".
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PostPosted: 10:29 - 25 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tankie wrote:
Sickpup , MOT tester now have to go though a much longer education process to get their licence , and go through regular up date course to retain their ticket , so they should be able to give a proper valid reason why he/ she feels that the machine does not comply with the standards required.


No they don't and they shouldn't give a reason. They should state there is x problem and then it is your job to find out what the problem is and how to cure it.
The MOT process is there to see if there is a problem not to diagnose what the problem is.
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PostPosted: 10:32 - 25 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is this you background,...no your not correct, it was mine .
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PostPosted: 11:29 - 25 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tankie wrote:
Is this you background,...no your not correct, it was mine .


Then you should know diagnosis of problems isn't part of the MOT.
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PostPosted: 11:32 - 25 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

But as a workshop it is, when the mot input has been done you revert back to your normal , probably repairing motor vehicles
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PostPosted: 11:47 - 25 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tankie wrote:
But as a workshop it is, when the mot input has been done you revert back to your normal , probably repairing motor vehicles


But we are talking about MOT tests so thank you for confirming that I am correct.

Tankie wrote:
Is this you background,...no your not correct, it was mine .


Yes it is my background. I may not do it professionally these days but it's where I started out.
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PostPosted: 13:30 - 01 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

NBR, but.

A friend in the US was constantly getting warped discs on his Beemer and would replace them every four months!

When I drove with him he was a shite driver and red-light drag queen. As soon as the light changed it was full-on to the next light where he would brake hard and late, then sit there with his foot hard-down on the brake (automatic Xmission). Then do the same thing, over and over.

I suspected that his discs were heating and cooling unevenly.

Suggested that he grow-up for a few months to see how he got on by using P and releasing the brake pedal when stopped, and it made a difference. Discs (rotors) lasted much longer.

Of course, he then had a choice to make. Drive like a knob and shell-out, or not... He's still a knob.
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