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I wonder if she'll fake the worlds fastest recovery and weaponize it to use it as some ageist weapon, by telling her Hitler youth followers that kids are immune and to cough over "you stole my future" older people?
Youths are doing it already now the media has given them the impression that, not only are they all special and the world owes them a living, but they're also immune from the Chinese Virus.
When all retired people are seen as right wing Brexit voters by the millenials and snowflakes, the puppet masters behind Thunberg will want as many to die of the virus as possible.
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So I'm now convinced climate change is real.
Like how this weekend is possibly going to be the hottest of all time, the record being set, ermmm last year.
Also all the floodings in winter etc. etc.
What it does not mean, despite what the woke are telling us, is that it's all the fault of the older generation.
Go back to the 1970's, there was much less plastic. You didn't wear one set of clothes then throw it away because it was unfashionable, milk came in glass bottles from an electric float and were then used again.
No mobile phones, no social media, and associated huge electronic carbon footprint. Why they can't have one common charger for all phones/pads is beyond me (unless it's purely profit). Think of the environmental benefit in having just one charger that you could use each time you upgrade a phone.
Most of all, kids generally walked or cycled to school rather than being driven 300 yards in the family Range Rover.
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| bhinso wrote: | I'm surprised ER aren't planning a massive march to 'Protest against Coronavirus'.
Think about the irony. |
Not against CoronaVirus, but links between ER and BLM are becoming evident now.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/it-was-empowering-teen-blm-activists-on-learning-the-ropes-at-school-climate-strikes/ar-BB17Oh12?ocid=msedgntp
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Recognising social inequality and protesting against it doesn't make one a Marxist. My daughter went on ER marches, she isn't a Marxist and neither are her mates - believe me, I'd hear about it endlessly if they were because they do like to wind up an old man with their theories and views 
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| Nobby the Bastard wrote: | The seems to be a line being driven that all socialism is Marxism. I'm a socialist but I'm not a marxist. |
At the moment there seems to be a view that anything challenging the status-quo is masterminded by devious pinko Marxist bastards, who's sworn aims are to bring down the Galactic Federation and push up the price of sherbet lemons. Ok, I made that last bit up....
Why can't people be a little bit left-wing or a bit 'protesty' any more without being demonised?
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| Ste wrote: | | Diggs wrote: | My daughter went on ER marches |
She wanted a day off school and she'd join any other cause who could get her a day off school?
School strike for BLM next. |
She had two days off school in total, and yes, she enjoyed them both. She could have done the same for 'Free Tommy' and 'Farmers against 13 Amp Fuses', but she chose not to.
Kids haven't been at school for months, so the question of a strike in support of BLM hasn't arisen. Remember, most kids are as racist as their parents so it isn't likely in the future either.
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| Diggs wrote: | | Nobby the Bastard wrote: | The seems to be a line being driven that all socialism is Marxism. I'm a socialist but I'm not a marxist. |
At the moment there seems to be a view that anything challenging the status-quo is masterminded by devious pinko Marxist bastards, who's sworn aims are to bring down the Galactic Federation and push up the price of sherbet lemons. Ok, I made that last bit up....
Why can't people be a little bit left-wing or a bit 'protesty' any more without being demonised? |
I don't label all those on the left as Marxists. I have some left-leaning views myself, but I think that left and right should work to balance each other, rather than one becoming super-dominant.
What people are criticising is the extreme left which seems so prevalent these days, with little thought as to its consequences. The attacks on free speech, the shutting down of counter argument, ideas such as defund the police, close the prisons, the physical attacks on property, revisionism, not to mention some declaring "I'm actually a Marxist", as if that were a thing to be proud of. And the worry is how some institutions seem to be enabling it all, giving it power where it would have had none on its own - universities and other educational establishments, city authorities allowing things like "autonomous zones", media supporting or turning a blind eye to the excesses of the left, etc.
Whether it is actual Marxism or not, it definitely borrows heavily from the tactics of the establishment of Marxist states. Neo-Marxism is perhaps a good way to describe it.
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Whether it is actual Marxism or not, it definitely borrows heavily from the tactics of the establishment of Marxist states. Neo-Marxism is perhaps a good way to describe it. |
I'm not so sure. Marxist states have traditionally restricted the views of opponents by controlling the media, education and Local Government. What you describe is the complete opposite in that the media, education and Local Government appear to be free to say what they like despite the existence of a ruling party that is fundamentally against the far left.
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Once the hard work is done and you've driven the wedge in nice and tight, then the controlling media for your own ends comes along. |
In order for that to happen, the wedge has to be driven in at a point where the 'driver' has at least half of the electorate on his/her side. If someone is trying to drive in said wedge at the moment, they are driving it in too far to the left to have any tangible effect.
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| Diggs wrote: | | chickenstrip wrote: |
Whether it is actual Marxism or not, it definitely borrows heavily from the tactics of the establishment of Marxist states. Neo-Marxism is perhaps a good way to describe it. |
I'm not so sure. Marxist states have traditionally restricted the views of opponents by controlling the media, education and Local Government. What you describe is the complete opposite in that the media, education and Local Government appear to be free to say what they like despite the existence of a ruling party that is fundamentally against the far left. |
What I describe is much more true of what's happening in the US right now. But some of it has been picked up over here, almost instantly with the speedy transfer via the internet.
"Media, education and local government" - that is exactly where it is being played out. People are being pushed out of media jobs, and from universities for going against it all. There are many examples of those who have been pushed out describing what is happening, both in the US and here. People are definitely not free to say what they like in these establishments.
Could you actually say that we are living in a time of 'normal' politics? I'd have to consider that you had gone deaf and blind if that's what you think. Maybe some don't want to say it out loud for fear of being labelled as cranks, but then again, that's another political tactic, isn't it?
My hope is that it's mostly an internet thing, and will stay firmly within that domain, social media being our new version of the insane asylums of the 19th century, and when it comes to actual policy and action irl, things will be more rational, but there is some leakage into the real world, via the aforementioned institutions mostly, more than makes me comfortable.
I should say, I also worry about it causing a backlash on the extreme right. There are signs of this in the US too. And even if neither extreme becomes dominant over normal politics, being caught in the middle could be very unpleasant for the rest of us.
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Could you actually say that we are living in a time of 'normal' politics? |
In times of national crisis, people tend to drift towards political extremes for solutions.
My view is that we are constantly being told that we are living through a time of crisis on social media, therefore we are happy to explore the ends of the political spectrum for our salvation. Clever people at either end know this, and as a population we don't realise that we are being maneuvered into holding one view or the other when we don't actually need to.
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And what is the "crisis"? Brexit isn't a crisis. It may cause some difficulty, but is not an emergency situation.
Trump is not a crisis. An anomaly perhaps, but presidents come and go.
Covid has been close, but when we look at the actual numbers of deaths, not that significant in terms of overall population, and best to leave the politics out of it anyway.
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| chickenstrip wrote: | And what is the "crisis"? |
That's my point... We are constantly being told that we are living through a crisis, be it Brexit, COVID, state racism, illegal immigration, microplastic in the sea etc.
Paradoxically, the only crisis we are genuinely living through is the one we ignore. We console ourselves by thinking that it is pointless to plan for the effects of global warming if countries like China, the US and India don't bother.
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Paradoxically, the only crisis we are genuinely living through is the one we ignore. We console ourselves by thinking that it is pointless to plan for the effects of global warming if countries like China, the US and India don't bother. |
Crisis or not, we can't change the whole of society overnight. And it is true that global problems require global solutions, so it's not just our society that needs to change. All we can do is continue to try to work in the right direction - and we will make mistakes along the way. But what does panic achieve? Even, especially in times of crisis, clear thinking is needed.
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| chickenstrip wrote: | All we can do is continue to try to work in the right direction |
...and an integral part of that is allowing our kids to hold and voice opinions on the matter, without calling them Marxist stooges and anarchists, because if the next generation isn't interested, we are all up shit creek. 
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