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Bad Medicine
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200323-coronavirus-will-hot-weather-kill-covid-19
A major contribution to 'seasonal' virus spread is due to cold weather. But with important caveats
People tend to keep windows and doors closed to conserve expensive heat energy and the air in buildings get re-circulated with any pathogen in the air flow.
Human activity in close and closed proximity to other infected/infective humans spread disease.
But there is no pertinent link to ambient temps causing flu-ish disease.
You can still get URTI in summer.
Quite common in dessert or tropical regions at 30° Centipede +. (Especially where air conditioning is used and poorly maintained.)
Some high end HVAC have super heaters built in to Kill pathogens in the serviced air before the air is cooled. Especially in large buildings where lots of dirty humans circulate.
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https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/1259965/My-Secret-Terrius-coronavirus-episode-10-scene-Netflix-South-Korea-video
Watch the video clip from an old episode of a series called My Secret Terrius, filmed 2 years ago.
What are the chances of that eh?  A scene about China releasing a bio weapon which was a tweaked mutant version of SARS called "Coronavius" because the previous attempts (think SARS, Swine Flu, Bird Flue) only had a 20% mortality rate, so were not the fully developed bio weapon. This one is though.
That writer should be playing the lottery or at least picking numbers.
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| stinkwheel wrote: | | mentalboy wrote: |
So, asymptomatic cases.
If one catches the virus but remains asymptomatic does this mean that their body does not reject the infection, do they, therefore, not build up antibodies and thus become super spreaders? |
Doesn't seem to be the case with this one (yet), although it can happen with other viruses. In fact, it can happen with other types of coronavirus.
Broadly speaking, for a carrier state to occurr with a viral infection, the disease needs to find part of the body where the immune system can't reach it. The classic example is the chickenpox virus which lodges in nerve fibres and can reappear at a later stage as shingles. HIV is another which hides within the immune cells themselves.
It's one reason why they were worried about finding this strain of coronavirus in faeces because some parts of the gut are quite well "hidden" from the immune system. Other types of coronavirus in other species can have quite a prolonged faecal shedding period. In fairness though, this isn't as big a problem in humans on the whole because we don't lick one anothers arses quite as much and many of us even wash our hands after going to the toilet.
I wouldn't have said that being asymptomatic means you didn't form an adequate immune response. It can mean your immune system was already on top of the job and stomped on it fast. Its certainly being recognised that if your immune system is already activated (by, say a normal cold), some non-specific mechanisms are already ramped up and ready to go and the specific mechanisms are already out there looking for something to attack.
We've seen this in my field recently where you vaccinate an animal for one viral disease and it gives a significant protective effect when they are challenged by a totally different virus which the vaccine shouldn't really work against.
Can also work against you with some viruses. Almost all of the symptoms are as a result of the immune system attacking the virus rather than the damage the virus does in itself. This was seen during the post WW1 influenza epidemic where it particularly killed the fittest people by causing something called a "cytokine storm" as part of the immune response. The young and elderly were less badly affected. Doesn't look lke that's happening here though.
Another feature of coronaviruses is they can undergo point mutations. We se this all the time in cats with a diease called Feline Infectious Peritonitis. Most cats contract a mild coronavirus of the gut at some point and show few, if any symptoms. In an unlucky few, it mutates to a highly virulent form that almost always kills them.
There is some talk of there being two sub-types of the COV19 virus. One causing milder symptoms than the other. It's not clear if there are two different strains going about or if some of them are undergoing a similar mutation to cause more virulent disease. If there are two strains, the next question is does having the mild form protect you from the severe form?
In any case, using a live RNA virus for a vaccine is not a fantastic idea due to that mutation risk. It's why an effective vaccine will take a while. They will almost certainly need to splice a bit of COV19 genetic material into a more stable virus that can't multiply in humans to make it trigger the immune system and show it parts of the COV19 bug. Then test it to make sure it doesn't cause any unexpected effects.
I do hope they are talking to veterinary virologists. they've been actively and intensely studying feline coronavirus for decades. |
Rated as interesting as I never knew Teffers was a vet.
How long will lockdown continue before a higher proportion of people get edgy, and ignore advice due to 'taking care of my mental health innit'?
I foresee social stigma and threats of penalties working short term, on the whole,
but as there's no way currently to eradicate it from the face of the planet we can't be kept indoors forever.
Lack of random testing means we have no idea where we're at. In the Netherlands they're testing regular blood donations for presence of CV19 antibodies. This should at least indicate what proportion of the "healthy" populace have had exposure, meaning they'll be much more able to judge the start of their end game.
Similarly in Iceland, random testing has enabled them to manage their response much better than anywhere else, they're pretty much open for business. Yes, it's a much smaller and managed population but nonetheless the point remains.
Here were only testing sports people, actors, celebrities, ministers and royalty, or people who obviously have it, anyone in the NHS or people with mild symptoms aren't worthy.
I see an interesting summer ahead, plenty of people unfortunately dead, and selfish folk continuing to spread it at a rate higher than we're able to treat. All the while refining the model on best guesses, garbage in garbage out.
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It is now. Nobody had heard of these a few months ago.
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| Hong Kong Phooey wrote: |
Here were only testing sports people, actors, celebrities, ministers and royalty, or people who obviously have it, anyone in the NHS or people with mild symptoms aren't worthy.
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With 120,000 tested and only 17,000 positive, clearly a lot of these tests aren't just for people with obvious signs in hospital, or you'd expect it to be much higher.
That's an awful lot of celebrities, actors, ministers, royalty and sports people making up the 100,000+ negative tests. It would be interesting to see where the tests are coming from, i.e. NHS or private medical care.
| Quote: | As of 9am on 28 March 2020, a total of 120,776 people have been tested, of which 103,687 were confirmed negative and 17,089 were confirmed positive. |
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Random testing isn't the way. Targetted testing based on epidemiological models is the way.
The more infectious the disease, the fewer need to be tested to glean useful statistical data.
The next question is what do you do with that information? Can peoople who have had it come out of isolation? Do they have to have papers to prove it? Where does that lead?
A rapid, reliable antigen test would be handy so people know if they have a cold or cov19
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Sorry to drag this back on topic, but this is worth a watch.
Someone in China who managed to get some videos out by recording it to a non Chinese connected phone.
You may need a Facebook account.
https://www.facebook.com/justin.m.marriott/videos/3920711954613412/UzpfSTEwMDA0MTkxOTIzMjkxMzoxNTE2MDk3ODQ4NTcwNTM0/
WTF are those massive lorries hurling into the air at night in massive convoys? Is this infection airbourne more than we're led to believe?
They look like they're trying top sterilise the entire city, trees and everything.
There's footage of shops where the entire counter is walled off and only little hatchways are pen. You wondered why they obeyed the lock down, look at the video near the end where the government has welded brackets to the outside of flat doors only allowing them to open around 10cm to pass supplies through.
Fecking mental, we're nowhere near even the peak of this if they're 3 months ahead.
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| Quote: | JAN 28 2020, Federal Agents arrested Dr. Charles Lieber, chair of Harvard University's Department of Chemistry and Chemical Biology, with lying to the Department of Defense about secret monthly payments of $50,000.00 paid by China and receipt of millions more to help set up a chemical/biological “Research” laboratory in China. Also arrested were two Chinese “Students” working as research assistants, one of whom was actually a lieutenant in the Chinese Army, the other captured at Logan Airport as he tried to catch a flight to China - smuggling 21 vials of “Sensitive Biological Samples” according to the FBI.
Oh, almost forgot. The research lab the good professor had helped set up? It’s located at the Wuhan University of Technology. Wuhan China is ground zero to the Coronavirus which is both spreading rapidly and killing people. |
A bit tin foil, but on Googling, surprisingly the basics of the story are true, although claimed to be separate. So why put them together?
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/harvard-university-professor-and-two-chinese-nationals-charged-three-separate-china-related
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Harvard University Professor and Two Chinese Nationals Charged in Three Separate China Related Cases
The Department of Justice announced today that the Chair of Harvard University’s Chemistry and Chemical Biology Department and two Chinese nationals have been charged in connection with aiding the People’s Republic of China.
Dr. Charles Lieber, 60, Chair of the Department of Chemistry and Chemical Biology at Harvard University, was arrested this morning and charged by criminal complaint with one count of making a materially false, fictitious and fraudulent statement. Lieber will appear this afternoon before Magistrate Judge Marianne B. Bowler in federal court in Boston, Massachusetts.
Yanqing Ye, 29, a Chinese national, was charged in an indictment today with one count each of visa fraud, making false statements, acting as an agent of a foreign government and conspiracy. Ye is currently in China.
Zaosong Zheng, 30, a Chinese national, was arrested on Dec. 10, 2019, at Boston’s Logan International Airport and charged by criminal complaint with attempting to smuggle 21 vials of biological research to China. On Jan. 21, 2020, Zheng was indicted on one count of smuggling goods from the United States and one count of making false, fictitious or fraudulent statements. He has been detained since Dec. 30, 2019. |
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Here's something a bit closer to home.
Sweden is the only country in Europe not doing a lock down.
Lockdown, what lockdown? Sweden's unusual response to coronavirus
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52076293
What do you reckon? Sweden with millions dead or laughing at all the idiots in other countries? I really can't get my head on how they can be so different in their actions.
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| Polarbear wrote: | Here's something a bit closer to home.
Sweden is the only country in Europe not doing a lock down.
Lockdown, what lockdown? Sweden's unusual response to coronavirus
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52076293
What do you reckon? Sweden with millions dead or laughing at all the idiots in other countries? I really can't get my head on how they can be so different in their actions. |
To be fair, they're about 2 weeks behind us anyway. Expect lock down in 1 week as numbers take hold.
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| - wrote: | | Polarbear wrote: | Here's something a bit closer to home.
Sweden is the only country in Europe not doing a lock down.
Lockdown, what lockdown? Sweden's unusual response to coronavirus
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52076293
What do you reckon? Sweden with millions dead or laughing at all the idiots in other countries? I really can't get my head on how they can be so different in their actions. |
To be fair, they're about 2 weeks behind us anyway. Expect lock down in 1 week as numbers take hold. |
You would think, after seeing Italy and Spain, they would lock down now or do they have to let something happen before anyone takes any notice? Another conspiracy thought, perhaps they won't get people gaining immunity if they lock down too early?
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Mrs stinkwheels manager has asked staff by email how they would like to go about reducing the comapnies wages bill by 25%. Openly stated this is because central management are concerned they will be seeing an estimated 40% drop in turnover.
Would they preferr less pay, less hours, take an unpaid holiday or to keep pay the same but make up extra hours later in the year.
The (rather more tactfully worded) reply was along the lines of: None of the above. Suck it up. Everyones turnover will be down and the government is providing support to businesses so employees are not the ones taking the hit. I'm contracted to be paid a certain amouint for a certain number of hours and my household relies on this income. If you don't want to pay it, either make me redundant or furlough me.
According to companies house, The business in question has enough in the bank to cover all employee (and directors) pay for the next 12 months anyway and doubled both profit and turnover over the previous 12 months. This request for employees to accept reduced pay is purely to maintain the top-line, not to keep the business afloat. It stinks, I'm super pissed off they are even discussing it.
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