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PostPosted: 18:04 - 19 Mar 2020    Post subject: A bit of a 'dont be so stupid' thread Reply with quote

As you are already bored about me, lets have a bit of ammoral support. I'm retired. Yey, well maybe.

Any clever finance people who can assage my worrys will be appreciated. Blow jobs optional.

I've lost shed loads with the financial crash, most of my savings. That isn't th problem, they 'may' come back and Shell ( my shares) isn't going bust.

But I'm absolutluy shitting myself about my pension. It's private, so are pension companys going to survive. Is the first thing I know about it when I don't get a payment on April 1st?

Is my pension pot safe?

I always thought I was financially savvy but I'm totally fcuking lost now.
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PostPosted: 18:20 - 19 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you bought an annuity with your pension pot then don't worry about it.

In fact, just don't worry about £money at all for the time being.
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PostPosted: 18:23 - 19 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

JackButler wrote:


In fact, just don't worry about £money at all for the time being.


That bit doesn't help Jack
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PostPosted: 18:35 - 19 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everyone understands that this is an act of god. One month is not going to cause a problem. Three months won't cause a problem. If it goes longer than that it might be time to worry, but I honestly think that you're OK. Your annuity has been purchased, and they have to pay out. There are financial schemes around which insure against the collapse of pension suppliers.

The issue with pensions is if the annuity itself is purchased at the bottom of a share dip...

A pension adviser I once saw said that pensions are not generally 'risky' but should be thought of in terms of 'volatility' instead. However, as I said, you have an annuity and it'll pay out. If the company paying out on it goes bust, it'll no doubt be insured.
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PostPosted: 18:52 - 19 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you.

I feel a bit better now. I have to say I was shitting myself.

Wifey said we have a house over our head whatever, others have a terrible future and for once she is talking sense.

Trouble is we are all selfish.
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PostPosted: 19:02 - 19 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:


That bit doesn't help Jack


Seriously folks, just put your money worries behind you for now & focus on the important things in life.

Money is just a number on a piece of paper.
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PostPosted: 20:00 - 19 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Once Covid has gone through the crumblies, there'll be a bigger buffer in the pension pot with all those it no longer has to pay out to.
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PostPosted: 20:38 - 19 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

The chances are, given how close you are, that you don't have exposure to higher risk investments.

Most companies naturally reduce the risk profile within your portfolio, the near it comes to maturity.

Quite aside from alleviating the "panic" you're alluding to here, I suspect its much easier to value your pot if the commodity in question has a "cash" or "near cash" value.

Shares, for example, have a value which includes future cash flows, but currency doesn't (unless there is a significant divergence of interest rates between 2 separate currencies, obviously).
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PostPosted: 22:04 - 19 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Thank you.
I have to say I was shitting myself.



Trouble is we are all selfish.


https://www.fscs.org.uk/what-we-cover/pensions

So you got plenty of toilet rolls then Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:05 - 20 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

JackButler wrote:
Seriously folks, just put your money worries behind you for now & focus on the important things in life.

Money is just a number on a piece of paper.


While I dislike the simplistic nature of that statement, and the fact that the number is really a measure future opportunity, there is an element of putting things into context.
How fck'd is fck'd, and if you're in the shit, how many people are going to be in deeper than you?
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PostPosted: 10:16 - 21 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

jnw010 wrote:


While I dislike the simplistic nature of that statement, and the fact that the number is really a measure future opportunity, there is an element of putting things into context.
How fck'd is fck'd, and if you're in the shit, how many people are going to be in deeper than you?


Despite being actually comfortably wealthy at the mo' I have NEVER paid into any pension scheme. There's a good reason for that, I was told the deepest intracacies of exactly how the work very early in my career.

I would never advise anyone not to pay into a pension pot but if they are a measure of "future opportunity" then we need to put it into context. Ask your friendly local independant financial advisor how big your 'pot' needs to be to match your state pension entitlement. Scary numbers.

I vaguely understand how £money can equal "future opportunity" but let's again put it into context. Is my "future opportunity" limited to how much £money I have? Does it have any affect on my ambitions?

Since approx' 1982 I have asked this question of everyone I have ever sat down with to interview for employment & many, many more, whether that was £100k+ technical specialists or the bloke that cleans the bogs.

"What are your ambitions"?

If we can't come to an agreeement after a brief discussion that the only answer I can accept is the right one, then we cannot go forwards . . .
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PostPosted: 11:31 - 21 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

JackButler wrote:


Despite being actually comfortably wealthy at the mo' I have NEVER paid into any pension scheme. There's a good reason for that, I was told the deepest intracacies of exactly how the work very early in my career.


Would that be from the same "respected source" that told you we were definitely going to be in lockdown and something BIG in London was going to happen that night? Rolling Eyes

I'll be keeping my well-performing pension thanks. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:09 - 21 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

JackButler wrote:
Is my "future opportunity" limited to how much £money I have?

Not necessarily but being financially comfortable can increase your future opportunities.
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PostPosted: 01:32 - 22 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

My old doll pegged it in December , I reckon she's had half a million out of the Gas Board pension AFTER my dad died. She has never contributed 1/2 p to the scheme, receiving half the pension after the death of the person who set it up.
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PostPosted: 02:19 - 24 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome to Global Capitalism mate, it's gonna fuck us all pretty hard soon Smile
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PostPosted: 10:58 - 24 Mar 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sir Clip wrote:
Welcome to Global Capitalism mate, it's gonna fuck us all pretty hard soon Smile


Focus dude...... Neoliberal elites! The ones hiding out in south american jungles (my conspiracy theory) and on private islands. They've made a mint out of us and now need a cull.
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Chatting with my neighbour yesterday (at a safe distance, we kept in our respective front gardens) and I said it's sad that the largest mortality demographic is older people. Be fairer if it was just the stupid - could loose to stand 200 million of them Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: 08:34 - 02 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

A bit late to the party here but you seriously don’t have all your savings tied up in one companies shares do you?

I know shit about shares and stuff which is why I have a financial advisor to look after mine.

The idea of owning shares is to spread the risk and the amount of risk you are willing to accept determines the type of shares you buy.

Putting it into one company is risky. You might choose Apple and get lucky or Compaq and it goes bust.
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PostPosted: 08:53 - 02 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scotsrick wrote:
Putting it into one company is risky. You might choose Apple and get lucky or Compaq and it goes bust.

Good point, badly illustrated. Compaq didn't go bust, it was acquired by and merged with HP. Compaq shares were swapped for HP shares at 1:0.6325. HP shares are currently running at around double what they were at the time of the merger and have been over 3 times the merger value. Not really a windfall but not a disaster either.

I am heavy in one company because the company I work for offers a few share schemes as part of its remuneration package. I try to offload them every so often and spread them into managed portfolios, but over time the shares keep building up. Right now I have lost a fair % of the nominal value of my portfolio because the company I work for has tanked and the managed portfolios haven't done much better. But I put it in context - it is not me that has lost out, the whole world is down so in the great scheme of things I am probably no worse off than average. On the plus side my variable rate mortgage had fallen two months in a row and I'm not spending any money on fuel.
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PostPosted: 09:07 - 02 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scotsrick wrote:
A bit late to the party here but you seriously don’t have all your savings tied up in one companies shares do you?

I know shit about shares and stuff which is why I have a financial advisor to look after mine.

The idea of owning shares is to spread the risk and the amount of risk you are willing to accept determines the type of shares you buy.

Putting it into one company is risky. You might choose Apple and get lucky or Compaq and it goes bust.


I have my shares in Shell, simply because of the employees share scheme and the dividends are good.

Shell shares have basically tanked by one third, pretty much like everyone's elses. I have no intent on cashing them in so I'll try to see this through without having to use them. I'm presuming Shell aren't going bust and one day they should start to rise again, maybe.

I know jack sh1t about trading stocks and shares so I wouldn't know much about trading with different companies except I wouldn't want to have shares in BA or some other airline at the moment.
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PostPosted: 10:03 - 02 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 18:51 - 02 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Scotsrick wrote:
A bit late to the party here but you seriously don’t have all your savings tied up in one companies shares do you?

I know shit about shares and stuff which is why I have a financial advisor to look after mine.

The idea of owning shares is to spread the risk and the amount of risk you are willing to accept determines the type of shares you buy.

Putting it into one company is risky. You might choose Apple and get lucky or Compaq and it goes bust.


I have my shares in Shell, simply because of the employees share scheme and the dividends are good.

Shell shares have basically tanked by one third, pretty much like everyone's elses. I have no intent on cashing them in so I'll try to see this through without having to use them. I'm presuming Shell aren't going bust and one day they should start to rise again, maybe.

I know jack sh1t about trading stocks and shares so I wouldn't know much about trading with different companies except I wouldn't want to have shares in BA or some other airline at the moment.


That I can understand.

I used to have shares I was given from a workplace and it’s just as easy to leave them where they are. Although they did go in the end to replace my kitchen Very Happy
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