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PostPosted: 16:37 - 03 Apr 2020    Post subject: Hackney bringing in parking charges Reply with quote

https://consultation.hackney.gov.uk/parking-services/motorcycles/

At the consultation stage which we all know means "already decided, fuck you very much!"
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PostPosted: 17:22 - 03 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As part of our commitment to improve local air quality and reduce CO2 emissions in the borough


So any counter argument makes you as bad as Hitler.
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PostPosted: 17:34 - 03 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

They want you to use vegan cars.
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PostPosted: 17:34 - 03 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Must be a record. 2 posts into the thread and Hitler is mentioned.
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PostPosted: 19:27 - 03 Apr 2020    Post subject: Re: Hackney bringing in parking charges Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:
https://consultation.hackney.gov.uk/parking-services/motorcycles/

At the consultation stage which we all know means "already decided, fuck you very much!"

Well, if they've already decided, try to get the best out of it. Lowest emissions band £61/year at the moment, 'ackney carnsel say they will improve security with more "lockable stands" (?), asking various things about them and other stuff.
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PostPosted: 20:16 - 03 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

London, In that I hate the place more than piles....

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PostPosted: 11:49 - 04 Apr 2020    Post subject: Re: Hackney bringing in parking charges Reply with quote

Riejufixing wrote:
Easy-X wrote:
https://consultation.hackney.gov.uk/parking-services/motorcycles/

At the consultation stage which we all know means "already decided, fuck you very much!"

Well, if they've already decided, try to get the best out of it. Lowest emissions band £61/year at the moment, 'ackney carnsel say they will improve security with more "lockable stands" (?), asking various things about them and other stuff.


The word for today is "sop"
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PostPosted: 12:52 - 04 Apr 2020    Post subject: Re: Hackney bringing in parking charges Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:
Riejufixing wrote:
Well, if they've already decided, try to get the best out of it. Lowest emissions band £61/year at the moment, 'ackney carnsel say they will improve security with more "lockable stands" (?), asking various things about them and other stuff.

The word for today is "sop"

Well, yes, but it's better to try and get something positive out of it than not bother Smile
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PostPosted: 17:02 - 04 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

IMHO the "honest" way would be to say:

"We want to put in lockable stands for motorbikes but we have to fund it somehow. We were think of parking charges..."

In which case everyone would suddenly lose interest in the stands.

What we get instead is a load of environmental bollox as an excuse to bring in stealth taxes. One stand will be built "a prototype to gauge usefulness" and then the whole project will be quietly forgotten about.
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PostPosted: 17:45 - 04 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:
IMHO the "honest" way would be to say:

"We want to put in lockable stands for motorbikes but we have to fund it somehow. We were think of parking charges..."

In which case everyone would suddenly lose interest in the stands.

What we get instead is a load of environmental bollox as an excuse to bring in stealth taxes. One stand will be built "a prototype to gauge usefulness" and then the whole project will be quietly forgotten about.

It's interesting having a poke about in 'Ackney's Council website.

Search: lockable stands "motorcycle" site:hackney.gov.uk

Hackney Transport Strategy2014-2024( https://consultation.hackney.gov.uk/streetscene/draft-hackney-transport-strategy/supporting_documents/Sustainable%20Transport%20Plan.pdf )

Look for "PTW" (=powered two-wheeler).

There are possibly other bits 'n' bobs in there, depending on search terms, like:

Search: "motorcycle parking" site:hackney.gov.uk"

https://news.hackney.gov.uk/have-your-say-on-changes-to-motorcycle-parking/

As part of the proposals, we would spend £152,000 on installing 380 lockable motorcycle hoops across the borough to improve motorcycle security, a longstanding concern for riders in London. By also applying a permit charge of just £10 a year for electric vehicles, we would also be incentivising the transition to zero tailpipe emission vehicles for those who need to retain use of a two-wheeled motor vehicle.

I'm not saying I particularly agree with the council at all, just that there is some interest there.
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PostPosted: 14:48 - 08 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

doggone wrote:
So any counter argument makes you as bad as Hitler.


No it doesn't.
A 10% increase in motorcycle use by car drivers switching reduces production of pollution by around 40% in an inner city area. (should add that figure was supplied my MAG when I was discussing some bits and pieces with them)

As TFL admitted that motorcycles produce less than 1% of emissions in London, in fact the amount is so small in comparison to everything else that they couldn't give it a percentage then any move that would discourage motorcycle usage and possibly increase car ownership would likely increase measurable pollution.
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PostPosted: 17:07 - 08 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
doggone wrote:
So any counter argument makes you as bad as Hitler.


No it doesn't.
A 10% increase in motorcycle use by car drivers switching reduces production of pollution by around 40% in an inner city area. (should add that figure was supplied my MAG when I was discussing some bits and pieces with them)

As TFL admitted that motorcycles produce less than 1% of emissions in London, in fact the amount is so small in comparison to everything else that they couldn't give it a percentage then any move that would discourage motorcycle usage and possibly increase car ownership would likely increase measurable pollution.


You don't let trivial things like "truth" get in the way of an ideology.
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PostPosted: 13:06 - 09 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is an interesting article in the Huff Post that says my percentages were wrong and it applies to congestion not pollution and further states that if a quarter of people convert to scooters/motorcycles that congestion is eliminated.
If there is no congestion pollution drops considerably as there are no slow moving or idling vehicles, less fuel used per journey etc.
If Hackney truly wants to drop pollution then they should convert 25% of their car parking spots to secure motorcycle parking spots.
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PostPosted: 13:48 - 09 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
Here is an interesting article in the Huff Post that says my percentages were wrong and it applies to congestion not pollution and further states that if a quarter of people convert to scooters/motorcycles that congestion is eliminated.
If there is no congestion pollution drops considerably as there are no slow moving or idling vehicles, less fuel used per journey etc.
If Hackney truly wants to drop pollution then they should convert 25% of their car parking spots to secure motorcycle parking spots.


It goes like this:

"Fossil fuels are bad."

Okay, we'll add catalytic converters and EFI to improve fuel efficiency.

"No, fossil fuels are bad."

Right, we've come up with an engine where you get over 100mpg and the only emissions are water vapour and carbon dioxide.

"You're not getting it: fossil fuels are bad!"

There's a guy who's got a new design that captures all emissions and it does over 200mpg!

"FOSSIL FUELS ARE BAD!"
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PostPosted: 14:16 - 09 Apr 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:
"Fossil fuels are bad."

Okay, we'll add catalytic converters and EFI to improve fuel efficiency.

Interestingly, catalytic converters are bad for fuel economy.
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