Harley-Davidson Pan America

[ThatDippyTwat]

Fuck HD. Fuck your survey. Fuck your spam.

Buell were the best thing they ever had a hand in, and they killed it off, along with any chance at getting into Europe in decent numbers. The tactic of marketing a lifestyle to older professionals and making the bikes secondary to that will *never* sit well with people that actually like riding bikes, as opposed to pretending to be a badass once a week. The younger generation are even less interested in this lifestyle, and the older generation are dying off and buying less bbikes, which gives HD something of a puzzle to work out.
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'98 VFR800 (touring) - '12 VFR800 Crosrunner (Commuting) - '01 KDX220 (Big Green Antisocial Machine)

[stevo as b4]

Unless they become the next Tesla of the electric bike world then I think HD are finished. Also a V-twin adventure bike is not the best layout compared to the an inline twin or triple for packaging, and HD is a V-twin or Electric only company.

I think the new bike market is unfortunate generally now, but if they are struggling to sell 1000cc sports bikes despite alot of money and development still being undertaken on them, well you can see that selling bad ass bikes is a much harder gig still.

[MCN]

I think HD (and their loyal congregation of Goatee Sporting Phat Bastirts) are shite.

I think a lot of surveys are full of wank.


I don't have time to reply in more detail.

Sorry.
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Disclaimer: The comments above may be predicted text and not necessarily the opinion of MCN.

[BTTD]

Well I like Harleys...... but I hate surveys.

[Undinist]

I'm happy to do the survey. Where is it?

Harley's adventure bike will have a brand new water cooled engine in it...a huge step. It's sink or swim time for Harley (again.)
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Current bike: K1100RS. Previous: CD200, GSX250, GT550, VFR750, K100LT, K1100LT, R1100GS, R1150GS, ZZR1100, Hayabusa, RSV Mille, MV F4 750S, R1, ZX-10, KTM Adventure 950S

[Undinist]

Here's a close-up look at the adventure bike https://youtu.be/Y6NbBAG4f0s

The new motor looks like this. Meh. Needs more fins, looks awful IMO. https://i.imgur.com/INzp7jI.jpg

The motor is called the Revolution Max. Harley have said it will initially be in the adventure bike, which gets a 1200 version, and this roadster, which gets a 975 (I think):

https://i.imgur.com/SIDgoGH.jpg

They're meant to ship next year with a launch late this year. But that plan was made before the virus. I predict it won't happen and Harley will be begging for Chinese finance/takeover fairly soon.
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Current bike: K1100RS. Previous: CD200, GSX250, GT550, VFR750, K100LT, K1100LT, R1100GS, R1150GS, ZZR1100, Hayabusa, RSV Mille, MV F4 750S, R1, ZX-10, KTM Adventure 950S

[Easy-X]

Transformers! Harleys in disguise
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Husqvarna Vitpilen 401, Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter

[Undinist]

They sacked their CEO the other day. This interview is an interesting reflection on his mistakes: https://advrider.com/harley-is-at-a-pivotal-time-which-way-should-it-turn/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_content=03_16_2020
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Current bike: K1100RS. Previous: CD200, GSX250, GT550, VFR750, K100LT, K1100LT, R1100GS, R1150GS, ZZR1100, Hayabusa, RSV Mille, MV F4 750S, R1, ZX-10, KTM Adventure 950S

[Easy-X]

[Undinist]

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/bike-reviews/harley-davidson/livewire/2019/
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Current bike: K1100RS. Previous: CD200, GSX250, GT550, VFR750, K100LT, K1100LT, R1100GS, R1150GS, ZZR1100, Hayabusa, RSV Mille, MV F4 750S, R1, ZX-10, KTM Adventure 950S

[Easy-X]

[Tdibs]

Its a strange one, wonder how it will do in the US market though.
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Previous : 09 Vanvan 125| 02' Sv650s || Current: 1999 Xj600n | 1992 DR650 RSE | 2005 Fazer 1000

[kawashima]

Looks much heavier than Vstrom1000. I read this motor as liquid cooled.
If I want large V twin adventure, I will go for Vstrom1000.
Even Vstrom650 is huge for me though.
What I don't like about HD are Inch screw, heavy weight, expensive price tag/service fee/options, thick grips (american size).
"HD riders with old motors often look down newer harley owners" like such attitudes are seen even here, and I hate such hate inside harley communities.
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2020 Touring Serow 250
,past 2012 YB125SP, 2008 TDM900 2005 W650, [url=d], 2002 LS125R, 2002 CB400SF, NS50F, C50 / Trip to UK(2009), Hokkaido touring(2013)

[droog]

Personally I think the Pan America is a weird looking bike - but the Bronx 'street' version is easier on the eye - the Bronx reminds me vaguely of Buell in terms of the concept and the looks - but without Buell's sporty geometry and design quirks.