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PostPosted: 12:20 - 05 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Legal experts are racist, since the law is racist.


The word 'racist' is racist being as its from a language evolved by White Supremacists.

Have we reach peak insanity yet? 'Nazi' and 'Fascist' have worn so thin as to become unusable and 'Racist' is rapidly heading to Badge of Honour territory. 'Violence' seems to be the new buzzword: silence is violence, etc. and seems to be taking over the mantle from 'Unsafe.'

I think it went wrong when the kids started saying 'literally' all the time (possibly ironically to start with.)
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PostPosted: 13:10 - 05 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Easy-X wrote:


I think it went wrong when the kids started saying 'literally' all the time (possibly ironically to start with.)


Stop thinking this is just about a bunch of otherwise innocuous kids. It is rife in American institutions and is being enabled by adults who ought to know better. Some of these institutions are supposed to be the very things that guard against this kind of insanity. If it were just a bunch of kids, it would fade away pretty quickly as they moved on to living their lives.
I think that thus far, the damage being done is reversible, but there is a point where it no longer will be. Combined with the politicians divided into two sides who are more concerned with their own image and power than actually doing anything for their country, it is a very worrying time, especially as China and to a lesser degree Russia seek to gain influence and power around the world, and have the means to do it through the internet, where you just don't know if what you read has any ounce of truth to it anymore, and most people only take the time to skim a headline or two.

We have to get back to believing in our own democratic systems. Yes, they are imperfect, yes they need work. But imv they are better than anything else that has been tried that one could point to. So let's fix the problems and get it all working for us again, rather than abandoning them for ideologies that have been shown time and again to lead to mass murder and misery, or for anarchy and chaos in the ridiculous hope that something better will arise from the ashes, without one iota of an idea of what that might be.
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PostPosted: 14:32 - 05 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
chickenstrip wrote:

Stop thinking this is just about a bunch of otherwise innocuous kids. It is rife in American institutions and is being enabled by adults who ought to know better. Some of these institutions are supposed to be the very things that guard against this kind of insanity. If it were just a bunch of kids, it would fade away pretty quickly as they moved on to living their lives.


Agree and disagree at same time. They ARE a bunch of innocuous kids, but their indoctrination is far from innocuous. It's rife in American Institutions because the institutions themselves are made up of primarily left leaning professors, and there are a significant number of them that actually identify themselves as Marxist. As if that's actually OK! Yes, it's fine if you want to ignore the bloodshed and tyranny that occurred within the unfathomable humanitarian disaster under Lenin and Stalin but that's as good as saying well I'm a Nazi and Hitler was just fine if you ignore all the ethnic cleansing.

It is truly mental that educated people still believe in any form of collectivism as a means of politcial reform and think that won't go down the swannie just the same way because they're so virtuous they'd definitely be the ones to usher in the Utopia.

Not only mental; downright irresponsible.
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PostPosted: 14:39 - 05 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
I don't suppose many here would invest the time (2 hours, you say! Shocked ), but as I watch this, I'm starting to think this guy ought to be essential reading in any secondary school, and beyond, education here in the West; Stephen Kotkin:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNHFGB5X7R8

Give it a shot, he's quite engaging, and quite early on he espouses the necessity of BACON!!, so you know he's on the right track Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:42 - 05 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
arry wrote:

Agree and disagree at same time.


As far as I can see, we are in pretty much complete agreement.
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PostPosted: 15:45 - 05 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Yes, it's fine if you want to ignore the bloodshed and tyranny that occurred within the unfathomable humanitarian disaster under Lenin and Stalin but that's as good as saying well I'm a Nazi and Hitler was just fine if you ignore all the ethnic cleansing.

It is truly mental that educated people still believe in any form of collectivism as a means of politcial reform and think that won't go down the swannie just the same way because they're so virtuous they'd definitely be the ones to usher in the Utopia.

Not only mental; downright irresponsible.


You missed out Chairman Mao and PolPot off the Marxist massacre masters.
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PostPosted: 15:56 - 05 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
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You missed out Chairman Mao and PolPot off the Marxist massacre masters.


Yes well it's not as if you could argue that collectivism hasn't been tried is it; across multiple times in history and across multiple cultures - all ending up pretty much the same, eg everyone dead by shooting, starving, forced labour, or suicide because it was just so shit.

My particular 'favourite of the piece', and one which is seemingly where the BLM nutters align to nicely, is the Liquidation of the Kulaks:
https://www.history.com/news/ukrainian-famine-stalin

That's right, take the productive rich out to pasture, exterminate them and take over their lands to farm them yourself, realise you don't have a clue what you're doing, starve an entire population as a result.

Sounding roughly familiar?
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In fact, whilst we're on the subject sort of, I found a series of videos the other day where Daniel Hannan made the case for the free market, ie Capitalism really, whereas Corbyn was making the case for Socialism.

It was heartily brilliant. Hannan should be the devil if you listen to the MSM, and Corbyn the most wondrous saviour ever according to them - yet Corbyn was absolutely shot to pieces by Hannan and rightly so.

Corbyn started extolling the virtues of Marxist theory and Hannan rightly shut him down when Corbyn suggested that Capitalism was raping the environment. Hannan went ballistic at him, saying that the principles he was referring to resulted in the smokestacked degradation of Eastern Germany which has not been seen anywhere in the capitalist world, and that the fall of the Berlin Wall and that property rights then reversed the ecological catastrophe that Marxism had caused.

Corbyn flaps throughout and couldn't see that the Socialist policies he extols were only ever there because they're paid for by the productivity of the rich, which is created by capitalism.
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PostPosted: 16:11 - 05 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
arry wrote:
Polarbear wrote:

You missed out Chairman Mao and PolPot off the Marxist massacre masters.


Yes well it's not as if you could argue that collectivism hasn't been tried is it; across multiple times in history and across multiple cultures - all ending up pretty much the same, eg everyone dead by shooting, starving, forced labour, or suicide because it was just so shit.

My particular 'favourite of the piece', and one which is seemingly where the BLM nutters align to nicely, is the Liquidation of the Kulaks:
https://www.history.com/news/ukrainian-famine-stalin

That's right, take the productive rich out to pasture, exterminate them and take over their lands to farm them yourself, realise you don't have a clue what you're doing, starve an entire population as a result.

Sounding roughly familiar?


Ah, the Marxism of Mugabe. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:42 - 05 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Ah, the Marxism of Mugabe. Thumbs Up


Scarily similar. Essentially the Kulaks were made out to be the route of the peasant's problems; you're poor because those guys over there are stealing from us all and getting rich! The blacks were told the whites were the problem in Zimbabwe.

Coming back to BLM - the whites are again the problem if you listen to BLM. And to some degree they are - because there's absolute prejudice in the moronic Tommeh Robunsun follower types. For sure racism is still a thing - football crowds are a topical and typical example. But that's mindless racism, not racial oppression in the way that BLM suggests.

BLM is going after the corporations, the political institutions, the pillars of society. They're painting a picture of endemic systematic oppression and they're not doing it for a few extra jobs in the local council. They're sewing seeds that the white people stopping black people from having their fill in life are the problem and all the black people need to do is eradicate the white people. Job done. Black people win at the game. Now if that's not a nefarious and racist underlying subplot eh?

It'll all end in tears.
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Enigmatic, Sympathetic, Energetic, Emphatic, Intelligent people can motivate the masses.
Nothing I see in politics today has any of those qualities.
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PostPosted: 18:27 - 05 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
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For sure racism is still a thing - football crowds are a topical and typical example. But that's mindless racism, not racial oppression in the way that BLM suggests.

It's offensive, but you don't see the gingers closing ranks, - unless you count the SNP.
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PostPosted: 18:34 - 05 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
"We must gain power!"

At what price?

"Any!"
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PostPosted: 09:31 - 06 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
Oh dear, in wades Oprah Laughing

https://www.blackenterprise.com/oprah-winfrey-the-system-of-white-people-keeps-black-americans-off-ladder-of-success/

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“There are White people who are not as powerful as the system of White people—the caste system that’s been put in place—but they still, no matter where they are on the rung or the ladder of success, they still have their Whiteness,”. “You still have your Whiteness,”. “That’s what the term ‘White privilege’ is. It means that Whiteness still gives you an advantage, no matter what.”


Christ, so some whiteys living in caravan parks within practically shanty towns that have absolutely no wealth whatsoever are just so privileged to be white that a billionaire black woman thinks she'd rather swap places? Laughing

And to top it off, of course this ridiculous sentiment caused anyone with a half functioning brain to call it out for the rampant hypocrisy that it is. What happened next? Well, 'the media' decided that it 'had upset all the racists':

By finally speaking out about white privilege Oprah Winfrey has riled the racists
(Can't read the article but the headline is enough to make the point)

And there you go, postmodernist tosh at its fullest extreme - debate shut down because if you dare to question the ideologue then you're an InstaNazi Laughing

Interestingly, underneath this all, the guest on the show at the time was Emmanuel Acho. He's a former linebacker in the NFL (and his brother is too, and much more successful than he was) and now works for Fox News. Emmanuel says:

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“I fervently believe that if the White person is your problem, only the White person can be your solution.”


Ding! There you go - an utterly abhorrent racist statement that lumps all white people in as the same, whilst taking absolutely no personal responsibility for any of your own problems or even entertaining the fact they might be of your own making. Every white person is your oppressor and they are the problem.

Yet this isn't mainstream news and isn't shown for what it is? Why is that?
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Yet this isn't mainstream news and isn't shown for what it is? Why is that?


Because MSM is one of the institutions I was talking about where the responsible adults ought to know better. But they're not news organisations anymore. They are activist organisations, and tell me, why should we have to pay to prop them up? It's like saying I'm a true Tory through and through but have to pay a subscription to the Labour Party, or vice versa.
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I'm still trying to keep a level head in all this, and think yes it was right for the statues of slave traders to go. Although presumably they weren't put up BECAUSE of slave trading, but other good things that they did.

Cecil Rhodes, well yeah not a great role model. But I can't help thinking what cesspit Rhodesia turned into under Mugabe.

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PostPosted: 00:04 - 08 Aug 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote
MCN wrote:
Enigmatic, Sympathetic, Energetic, Emphatic, Intelligent people can motivate the masses.
Nothing I see in politics today has any of those qualities.


Some people say we get the government we deserve. I prefer to think of it as our politicians being a product of the society they govern.

Trump and Brexit are illustrative of the masses being motivated. It would have been better if those masses could have been motivated by positive rather than negative factors, but they were nevertheless given a voice where they had none before. That's a good thing. How it is handled by the politicians is another thing, and in both cases, it has not been handled well, by all parties involved.
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Just when you thought it couldn't get any more ridiculously over-sensitive and, err, ridiculous - Sideman (whom most of you I assume would never have heard of but I'll come onto that) has decided to leave BBC Radio 1Xtra over the use of the 'N Word' in an actual news report.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53708991

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"I can't look the other way", Sideman said: "I've thought long and hard about what I'm about to say and what it means.

"And on this occasion I just don't think that I can look the other way."

"action and the defence of the action feels like a slap in the face of our community".


Some context. BBC ran a report on a guy called K Dogg - a musician (debatable) and NHS worker that was hit by a car whilst walking to a bus stop. The attack was racially motivated as the N Word was shouted from the car at the point of the attack, allegedly. The BBC spoke to the victim and the family of the victim, and in order to fully report the context of the attack felt that the word should be used. It prompted hundreds of complaints because of course, nobody should ever use that word unless they're singing in a pop song that's going out on the radio Laughing

So, you've now got a black BBC employee accusing the BBC - the bloody BBC of all institutions - of being racist Laughing Because they took a decision to fully report and thus fully portray the horror of a racist attack. This is the BBC, and specifically Radio 1Xtra, that puts out content such as:
The Black Experience and the System - why the System isn't made for black people

Laughing

And who is Sideman? He's a DJ. A black DJ. I'm sure nothing he's ever played has ever been inappropriate in any way, nosiree.


Utterly hilarious.
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Just when you thought it couldn't get any more ridiculously over-sensitive and, err, ridiculous...


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I'm sure nothing he's ever played has ever been inappropriate in any way, nosiree.


I don't understand the rules any more. Had the BBC not stated that the attack was racially motivated, it would have been criticised and rightly so. Use of the 'n' word in the context of the incident is an explanation, not a racial slur. Is the BBC supposed to say that an attack is racially motivated but not be able to say how it comes to that conclusion for fear of causing more offence? That doesn't make sense. If the reporter had been black and repeated the 'n' word, would that have been any different in terms of alleged offence caused?

Taken to its logical conclusion, everybody should refuse to listen to music containing words like 'bitch' and 'ho' because they can be taken as offensive, and this means boycotting every radio station, record label, pub, club etc and anybody who works for one of these purveyors of misogynist filth should resign immediately.

I wonder if K-Twat, MC Faux-Offence, Lil Penis, 3 Stallions etc would be so quick to cry inappropriate if their incomes disappeared due to a collective bout of political correctness and social indignation?
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Taken to its logical conclusion, everybody should refuse to listen to music containing words like 'bitch' and 'ho' because they can be taken as offensive, and this means boycotting every radio station, record label, pub, club etc and anybody who works for one of these purveyors of misogynist filth should resign immediately.


Is there a song called "Here We Go, Down The Marxist Road"? That should be ok.
Well ok, you tell me where all this ends.
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Is there a song called "Here We Go, Down The Marxist Road"? That should be ok.
Well ok, you tell me where all this ends.


What makes you think Marxists are any less racist or misogynistic? This has nothing to do with the far-left of the political spectrum.
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you tell me where all this ends.


This is the thing. White people aren't allowed to use the 'n' word. People of all colours are allowed to use the 'bitch' and 'ho' words. All can result in the taking of offence, yet one is banned and the others two are positively encouraged by a music industry which continues to sign 'artists' that use the language, and a media that glorifies said 'artists' by giving them positive coverage.

It ends when use of the 'n' word by non-black people when not intended to offend and not taken as such, becomes acceptable. Either that or all language is censored so anything that may possibly cause offence to anybody is banned. The latter won't happen so it has to be the former.
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How BLM and the 'progressives' have dehumanised black people
https://www.dennisprager.com/column/the-dehumanization-of-blacks/
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chickenstrip wrote:
you tell me where all this ends.


This is the thing. White people aren't allowed to use the 'n' word. People of all colours are allowed to use the 'bitch' and 'ho' words. All can result in the taking of offence, yet one is banned and the others two are positively encouraged by a music industry which continues to sign 'artists' that use the language, and a media that glorifies said 'artists' by giving them positive coverage.

It ends when use of the 'n' word by non-black people when not intended to offend and not taken as such, becomes acceptable. Either that or all language is censored so anything that may possibly cause offence to anybody is banned. The latter won't happen so it has to be the former.


And yet not a single eyebrow is raised when Oliver's Army is played on the radio. Confused
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