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growler
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PostPosted: 21:38 - 01 Oct 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thing is the compulsory basic training has nothing to do with training you to ride a geared bike or a twist and go but more that when on the road on whichever powered 2 wheeler you have you can be there safely it’s more about reading the road and signs than the actual mechanics of operating the bike itself
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PostPosted: 07:35 - 02 Oct 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

bhinso wrote:

It IS really crazy and goes to show what a load of bollocks box ticking the whole thing is. You can quite legally go ride a geared bike out on the road without having the faintest idea how to use a clutch.


It gets even more crazy when you realise you can ride a powered vehicle on the road without even taking a theory test
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PostPosted: 21:35 - 02 Oct 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

growler wrote:
Thing is the compulsory basic training has nothing to do with training you to ride a geared bike or a twist and go but more that when on the road on whichever powered 2 wheeler you have you can be there safely it’s more about reading the road and signs than the actual mechanics of operating the bike itself


I disagree, regardless of whether you can read the road or not, it's dangerous if you are unable to operate a clutch or gears properly. For example you could dump the clutch at a roundabout and go flying out.
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PostPosted: 22:52 - 02 Oct 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

bhinso wrote:
I disagree, regardless of whether you can read the road or not, it's dangerous if you are unable to operate a clutch or gears properly. For example you could dump the clutch at a roundabout and go flying out.


I doubt anyone that passes a C.B.T is ever the complete package on their first ever ride thereafter, regardless of what type of bike they used (auto, or manual).

The C.B.T has a woefully low standard, but bashing our own kind (per se) is not really helpful when car drivers never really face the same scrutiny owing to how many yoof's can obtain family members speedy sports cars and ride it without experience. Plenty of local trees and lampposts can attest to why that's a bad idea. Bikes in comparison, well, I can't remember the last time I encountered a rider that caused me to head shake endlessly.

I'd argue either way that you'd need a combination of both the ability to demonstrate that you can read the road, and control the machine, at the same time. Which is why the C.B.T has multiple elements and a rode ride at the end to combine it all in one.

Learning how to use the clutch smoothly takes time, and the C.B.T would never teach anyone that... just introduce it to them and give them a taster.

Scooter method is recommended here because O.P has lined the pockets of training school to the effect of £260 and still hasn't got what he set out to, but has the ability to further train son when he does have a certificate so why not.
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PostPosted: 15:42 - 04 Oct 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heya

The training company I just did my CBT with do an intro 2 hour lesson for people who are completely new to bikes before trying the CBT, some basic cone work slow handling etc, just depends how fast you picked things up.

I found it quite helpful as everyone was at the same starting experience point, and was only £20 for the two hours something like that might help If you can find it.

The company also offered a £20 optional extra on the CBT price which If you failed any part you can retake again at no further cost If your unsure about passing, the CBT was about £170 so i thought I would pay the extra protection in-case I struggled.
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PostPosted: 15:49 - 04 Oct 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cleo the cat wrote:
The company also offered a £20 optional extra on the CBT price which If you failed any part you can retake again at no further cost

You can't fail something that doesn't have a test.
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PostPosted: 20:06 - 04 Oct 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

My son had similar problem when he was 16 and getting CBT for moped.
The instructors offered extra tuition a few days later for £25 and he went back and completed his CBT the next week.
I would also point out, he trained on a moped twist and go. Once he had passed I trained him in my street to use his geared moped.
Worth asking the school for tuition.
If your son's problem is with gears then ask the school if he can complete his CBT on a twist n go moped.
The CBT covers you for both moped and motorcycle.

govuk site-

After you’ve completed CBT, you can ride a:

moped if you’re 16 or over
motorcycle up to 125cc and with a power output of up to 11kW if you’re 17 or over

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Cleo the cat
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PostPosted: 20:20 - 04 Oct 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah basic training eh Rolling Eyes not technically a test like the name says

I personally treated the whole day like a test.

I would have definitely felt like I failed it if I didn't receive the completion certificate at the end of the days training though, having not passed all the elements to the instructors satisfaction, cup half empty outlook maybe. Laughing

I took it out in-case I needed just one element to get the certificate £20 vs another £160ish seemed Ok.

Might be helpful for the OP's son if he can find a similar deal though Thumbs Up depends how confident he is on completing it, good luck to him Dance!
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PostPosted: 19:02 - 06 Oct 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

rpsmith79 wrote:

It gets even more crazy when you realise you can ride a powered vehicle on the road without even taking a theory test


The main theory points should be in the CBT and the theory test itself has become more stupid as the years went by.
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PostPosted: 10:10 - 08 Oct 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

bhinso wrote:
TheGazWaz wrote:
I'm going to bow down to you're knowledge on this one. And the fact that I've just googled it and, yes, you are quite correct. If you pass on an auto you ride a geared. Wow. That seems really crazy to me but there you go. You learn something new everyday.


It IS really crazy and goes to show what a load of bollocks box ticking the whole thing is. You can quite legally go ride a geared bike out on the road without having the faintest idea how to use a clutch.




This is how I did it.. I chose scooter just to get the damn thing done and I could practice on my CG in my own time. I drove a car at the time so I knew how to use a clutch, but couldn't be bothered for the CBT.


Anyway, anyone who does a CBT at age 16 tends to only get to have access to 50cc scooters at the cbt centre... Which means when they turn 17 their process is exactly the same as buying a geared 125 and jumping on.
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