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Ribenapigeon
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I started watching that last night until I had to give up due to the IPlayer being a load of bollocks and refusing to stream (OK probably my 'Superfast' Broadband)

But what I saw was certainly good. Looks like there was dangerous characters on both sides. Interesting how it all started as a 'Socialist' movement and 'Civil rights' march, with the IRA hiding snugly inside. Reminds me of certain current events starting with Peaceful marches.


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IIRC there was an account of a plantation owner saying he used the Irish for the work he wouldn't risk his valuable Black slaves on.
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To return to topic, it's understandable that Labour are sceptical about the armed forces considering the attempt to overthrow the Wilson government by force and install a military junta in government.
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To return to topic, it's understandable that Labour are sceptical about the armed forces considering the attempt to overthrow the Wilson government by force and install a military junta in government.


Go on, I'll bite.

I'm just old enough to remember the latter years of the Wilson government and from what I remember he was a pretty well respected politician so go on, show me where the army were going to overthrow him.
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Go on, I'll bite.

I'm just old enough to remember the latter years of the Wilson government and from what I remember he was a pretty well respected politician so go on, show me where the army were going to overthrow him.


I'm not trying to bait anyone, I know people do here all the time, ffs I'm a lefty I'm used to it. I was just assuming the plot was common knowledge these days and I'm sure it's been discussed here at some point. https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4789060.stm
The documentary is well worth watching. I think it's still on iplayer.
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IIRC there was an account of a plantation owner saying he used the Irish for the work he wouldn't risk his valuable Black slaves on.


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Polarbear wrote:


Go on, I'll bite.

I'm just old enough to remember the latter years of the Wilson government and from what I remember he was a pretty well respected politician so go on, show me where the army were going to overthrow him.


I'm not trying to bait anyone, I know people do here all the time, ffs I'm a lefty I'm used to it. I was just assuming the plot was common knowledge these days and I'm sure it's been discussed here at some point. https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4789060.stm
The documentary is well worth watching. I think it's still on iplayer.


I shall watch it and come back but I am instantly sceptical when it says.........

But new revelations in BBC drama documentary The Plot Against Harold Wilson.

Calling anything a Drama documentary immediately means you have put in a good measure of fiction.
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It is covered in one episode of Season 3 of 'The Crown'. The episode makes the ringleader out to be Mountbatten, who was terminated.... by the IRA.

So the thread has come full circle Cool
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Episode 4 of 'The Troubles' was interesting.

All about Intelligence and Informers. Between 1980 and 1982 more killings were done within the IRA than without. One mother of 10 was taken away and shot as a 'suspected' informant on the orders of one Gerry Adams.

But Gerry was never ever involved with the IRA, because he says so.
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Episode 4 of 'The Troubles' was interesting.

All about Intelligence and Informers. Between 1980 and 1982 more killings were done within the IRA than without. One mother of 10 was taken away and shot as a 'suspected' informant on the orders of one Gerry Adams.

But Gerry was never ever involved with the IRA, because he says so.


Common knowledge that one. Can't remember the poor woman's name, but I heard about it.
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I've watched the six episodes and a couple of conclusions I didn't know before:

I'd always thought that Sinn Fein (IRA) came to the peace table out of magnanimity but it turns out that in the 90's the UDF and UFF were getting exceptionally vicious, targeting not just Sinn Fein/IRA members but their family.

I'd previously believed that 90% of the killings were done by the IRA. This documentary gave death figures of over 3000 but didn't split it. However the way it's put forward it makes out the loyalist side was more violent. I'm not sure if this is fact or some sort of anti-Britain spin.
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bhinso wrote:
I've watched the six episodes and a couple of conclusions I didn't know before:

I'd always thought that Sinn Fein (IRA) came to the peace table out of magnanimity but it turns out that in the 90's the UDF and UFF were getting exceptionally vicious, targeting not just Sinn Fein/IRA members but their family.

I'd previously believed that 90% of the killings were done by the IRA. This documentary gave death figures of over 3000 but didn't split it. However the way it's put forward it makes out the loyalist side was more violent. I'm not sure if this is fact or some sort of anti-Britain spin.


It's a wholly depressing documentary, it makes you wonder if there's any such thing as any real respect for the needs of ordinary people and that we're all just subject to the whims of some minority elite, whether that's the establishment or a bunch of gangsters posing as liberators/protectors or whatever.

This is why I'm very sceptical about the foreign operations bill, I doubt its really about protecting ordinary service personnel from grievous prosecutions, more likely it's about protecting the higher ranks and politicians from scrutiny of their activities.
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