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oilyrag
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PostPosted: 23:31 - 07 Oct 2020    Post subject: haynes motorcycle techbook Reply with quote

I'm interested in the motorcycle electrical techbook and motorcycle fuel systems techbook. Anyone have them? Are they worth buying? Question https://haynes.com/en-gb/motorcycle-manuals/motorcycle-techbooks

Or do you have any recommendations for other good books or manuals for learning more about bike mechanics? Thanks
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PostPosted: 08:25 - 08 Oct 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a great fan of Haynes manuals because of bike idiosyncrasies and certain easy ways of doing things with specific bikes that aren't obvious.

I have to say I have never bothered with the 'general' Haynes manuals because I have an engineering background and engineering/mechanics generalities can be applied to any engineering criteria, so I can't specifically comment on them.

The trouble with technical books in my view is making them interesting enough to hold your attention. Some of the dross we had to use in my apprenticeship would have comatosed someone on speed but the ones that were written with a bias to something that interested me were much easier to get into. For that reason I suspect the general Haynes manuals might be pretty good.

Non of which is particularly helpful but I wait with interest to see if anyone else has a comment on them.
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PostPosted: 08:27 - 08 Oct 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

My issue with those techbooks is that they go out of date very quickly. As Polarbear says, a good Haynes manual for the bike is usually good enough - although I think they've become more cryptic these days which is a shame.
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PostPosted: 10:41 - 08 Oct 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haynes Manual> Pic> " Engine removed from frame for clarity" Translation. " It is actually impossible for a human with normally jointed wrists to remove this part with the engine in the frame. In desperation we have removed the engine . Now the photographer can actually see the component to take a picture of it. "
Lol.
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PostPosted: 11:44 - 08 Oct 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have both of these books. They start off with basic theory (for example the physics that underpins electricity) and then feature actual components, how they work, and practical examples of testing and trouble shooting,

If you are interested in motorcycle technology and engineering and want to increase and improve your diagnostic and mechanical skills and understanding I think they are well worth having.

As mentioned above - and from my personal experience - if you are reading these books methodically from cover to cover a lot of the information can seem a bit dry and abstract (large chunks wooshed straight over my head - not suprising really as I don't have an engineering background). However, they really come into their own when you have a real life technical problem to focus on and deal with; then the relevant section or chapter will provide you with the understanding of how and why an electrical, fuelling or mechanical system works in the way it does - this additional knowledge will give you a potentally decisive edge when implementing the a=b=c=d instructions provided by your Haynes/Shop model specific manual.


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PostPosted: 11:45 - 08 Oct 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

steve the grease wrote:
Haynes Manual> Pic> " Engine removed from frame for clarity" Translation. " It is actually impossible for a human with normally jointed wrists to remove this part with the engine in the frame. In desperation we have removed the engine . Now the photographer can actually see the component to take a picture of it. "
Lol.


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PostPosted: 18:19 - 08 Oct 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hyenas or Clymer type manuals can be useful
as are pukka Honda/Yamaha etc technical workshop ones if you can get them
but I'd suggest widening your horizons and build a dossier or reference library
on whatever you want to tinker with.

For instance, one of my lads mate started bringing me his YBR125 and various scoots
to fix and sort out
I created folders on my desktop to contain any useful info I found
on the interweb from downloaded manuals to saved web pages and pics.
I've also grabbed Youtube vids and tutorials plus advice and tip & tricks
from owner based web sites and forums too.

Most of the info I collect the info is archived on backup drives with a shit ton of various wiring diagrams
for me to refer if I need to.

More generalised stuff on say bike electrics can easily be found online too
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PostPosted: 19:04 - 08 Oct 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks all the input. I agree manuals can be dry and a hard read at times. I think to get through them you have to focus on the area that interests you and when you have a good understanding of that area you broaden out into other areas. I got to the stage where I was confident I could fix any mechanical problem but I didn't have a clue about electrics so unravelling the mysteries of electrics is what keeps me interested and motivated to read them Very Happy


Droog wrote:
I have both of these books. They start off with basic theory (for example the physics that underpins electricity) and then feature actual components, how they work, and practical examples of testing and trouble shooting,

If you are interested in motorcycle technology and engineering and want to increase and improve your diagnostic and mechanical skills and understanding I think they are well worth having.

As mentioned above - and from my personal experience - if you are reading these books methodically from cover to cover a lot of the information can seem a bit dry and abstract (large chunks wooshed straight over my head - not suprising really as I don't have an engineering background). However, they really come into their own when you have a real life technical problem to focus on and deal with; then the relevant section or chapter will provide you with the understanding of how and why an electrical, fuelling or mechanical system works in the way it does - this additional knowledge will give you a potentally decisive edge when implementing the a=b=c=d instructions provided by your Haynes/Shop model specific manual.


Is a lot of the content the same in the two books? Does it make sense to buy the two of them or would the fuel injection one cover most of the electrical one?
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PostPosted: 23:22 - 08 Oct 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is a lot of the content the same in the two books? Does it make sense to buy the two of them or would the fuel injection one cover most of the electrical one?


I guess it depends on how deep you want to get into the subject.

There is a short and useful chapter on fuel injection in the Electrical manual - but if you want the full story then get the fuel tech book as well.
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PostPosted: 23:45 - 08 Oct 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Droog wrote:
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Is a lot of the content the same in the two books? Does it make sense to buy the two of them or would the fuel injection one cover most of the electrical one?


I guess it depends on how deep you want to get into the subject.

There is a short and useful chapter on fuel injection in the Electrical manual - but if you want the full story then get the fuel tech book as well.


I'll get the the two of them. Will keep me out of trouble for a while Laughing
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PostPosted: 10:02 - 09 Oct 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'll get the the two of them. Will keep me out of trouble for a while


Definitely worth having on your shelf if you want to improve your knowledge in these areas.
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