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Pjay
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PostPosted: 19:41 - 04 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:
E-cigarettes have not been around for long enough for long term study.
Introduction in 2003 is a date quoted.

How long were studies on cigarettes run for?


You do realise we can test things massively faster than we could in the 60's right?
We can do tests that used to take months in minutes with our new understanding and testing methods.

We know that vaping is safer than smoking and that there are no cases of anyone becoming ill from vaping. That is all I am saying.
RhynoCZ seems to think differently and I have given proof from reputable sources and he has come back with speculation and fantasies like your nicotine fantasy, with no source of information.
Am I just to take the word of two random fuckwits on the internet over scientific study?
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PostPosted: 20:29 - 04 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pjay wrote:
MCN wrote:
E-cigarettes have not been around for long enough for long term study.
Introduction in 2003 is a date quoted.

How long were studies on cigarettes run for?


You do realise we can test things massively faster than we could in the 60's right?
We can do tests that used to take months in minutes with our new understanding and testing methods.

We know that vaping is safer than smoking and that there are no cases of anyone becoming ill from vaping. That is all I am saying.
RhynoCZ seems to think differently and I have given proof from reputable sources and he has come back with speculation and fantasies like your nicotine fantasy, with no source of information.
Am I just to take the word of two random fuckwits on the internet over scientific study?


Can't respond, I'm on battery and it's low. Sad

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I never take a random's opinion for granted. If I am not satisfied with a point of view or statement then I will research (Sometimes extensively.)

I am sure many people had facts based on historical research.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/387760

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/105017389190068P


It is good practice to refresh/review knowledge when 'new' or different info is published/spouted.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/article-abstract/2677060?utm_campaign=articlePDF&utm_medium=articlePDFlink&utm_source=articlePDF&utm_content=jamainternmed.2018.0397

I tried to stop smoking many times before I eventually quit.
The real deal is to get off the nicotine. If the e-pipe fails then you use an alternative delivery system.
I know folk who smoked, used the e-pipe between fags and had patches on. Shocked

The most disgusting thing about tabs is the aggressive marketing and flimflam employed by the racketeers of the industry.

The High Hied Yin of BAT was filmed signing the check to the tax man. He said that he didn't mind paying the tax man as his company was doing very well. The more he paid in tax the more his company made.
No matter how much carnage the bastirts were causing.
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PostPosted: 23:03 - 04 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

I smoked 40 Benson and Hedges a day for very many years, now I vape my head off instead, I'm confident the vaping is going to be less harmful, it sure has saved me thousands of pounds the past four years.
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Pjay
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PostPosted: 23:13 - 04 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:

I never take a random's opinion for granted. If I am not satisfied with a point of view or statement then I will research (Sometimes extensively.)

I am sure many people had facts based on historical research.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/387760

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/105017389190068P


It is good practice to refresh/review knowledge when 'new' or different info is published/spouted.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/article-abstract/2677060?utm_campaign=articlePDF&utm_medium=articlePDFlink&utm_source=articlePDF&utm_content=jamainternmed.2018.0397

I tried to stop smoking many times before I eventually quit.
The real deal is to get off the nicotine. If the e-pipe fails then you use an alternative delivery system.
I know folk who smoked, used the e-pipe between fags and had patches on. Shocked

The most disgusting thing about tabs is the aggressive marketing and flimflam employed by the racketeers of the industry.

The High Hied Yin of BAT was filmed signing the check to the tax man. He said that he didn't mind paying the tax man as his company was doing very well. The more he paid in tax the more his company made.
No matter how much carnage the bastirts were causing.


But none of that point to
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More people die due to circulatory damage caused by nicotine than the cancers caused by constituents of the smoke.

We all know the dangers of smoking and passive smoking. You made an outlandish claim, I'm asking for a source.
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PostPosted: 23:21 - 04 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

here's a statistic to get you going:
Smoking accounts for 30 percent of all cancer deaths and 87 percent of lung cancer deaths; the risk of developing lung cancer is about 23 times higher in male smokers compared to non-smokers; smoking is associated with increased risk of at least 15 types of cancer
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PostPosted: 23:26 - 04 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

LONDON,(Reuters) - Since he ditched Marlboro Lights five years ago, Daniel's fix is fruit-flavored nicotine gum that comes in neat, pop-out strips. He gets through 12 to 15 pieces a day and says he has "packets of the stuff" stashed all over. But he doesn’t see himself as a nicotine addict.

Like many people, Daniel believes nicotine gum is far less harmful for him than smoking. Doctors worldwide agree. By giving up cigarettes, they say, Daniel has removed at least 90 percent of the health risks of his habit.

Even so, the possibility that people can be addicted to nicotine, but not die from it, is at the heart of a growing debate in the scientific community. Scientists don’t doubt nicotine is addictive, but some wonder if a daily dose could be as benign as the caffeine many of us get from a morning coffee.

It’s a debate that has been aggravated by the rising popularity of electronic cigarettes - tobacco-free gadgets people use to inhale nicotine-laced vapor, which have helped some people quit smoking. The idea of nicotine as relatively benign goes against the negative image of the drug that built up over the decades when smoking rose to become an undisputed health threat.

Psychologists and tobacco-addiction specialists, including some in world-leading laboratories in Britain, think it's now time to distinguish clearly between nicotine and smoking. The evidence shows smoking is the killer, not nicotine, they say.

"We need to de-demonize nicotine," said Ann McNeill, a professor of tobacco addiction and the Institute of Psychiatry, Psychology & Neuroscience at King's College London, who has spent her career researching ways to help people quit smoking.

She wants people to understand the risks are nuanced – that potential harms lie on a curve with smoking at one end, and nicotine at the other. People who don't see that may hesitate to seek help stopping smoking, or try to restrain their intake of nicotine replacement therapy (NRT). That can make it harder to quit.

Some studies show nicotine, like caffeine, can even have positive effects. It's a stimulant, which raises the heart rate and increases the speed of sensory information processing, easing tension and sharpening the mind.

All this raises other questions: Could nicotine prime the brains of young people to seek harder stuff? Or, in an aging society, could its stimulant properties benefit people whose brains are slowing, warding off cognitive decline into Alzheimer’s and delaying the progression of Parkinson’s disease?

So far the answers aren’t clear. And the divide is as political and emotional as it is scientific.
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PostPosted: 09:20 - 05 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
Sister Sledge wrote:
Here's an interesting list. Not quite up to date but it shows staggering numbers despite people smoking less.

https://the-tma.org.uk/tma-publications-research/facts-figures/tax-revenue-from-tobacco/

It's genius when you think about it, get people addicted, then tax the shit out of them...

https://media.giphy.com/media/FrajBDPikVqBG/giphy.gif


And there you have it in one.
Get people addicted and then tax them/control them.
Think about it: Tabs, alcohol, gambling. Then jump in with less obvious things such as fatty foods - the human body craves fat. It's actually normal and instinctive. Fatty foods keep people happy and feeling fulfilled when in reality they want more and more of it. Sugar too. We don't need sugar in the way it's delivered to us. If you eat what's considered a healthy diet then you don't need added sugars. Yes our wonderful government have just started taxing sugar and the manufacturers are merely doing a 'token' drop in added sugars in foods and drinks.
Heck add in prostitution too.

You now have a business model. Go and research what people get addicted to and also what peoples bodies crave.
Next you start a business doing just that because people become addicted. If you think about it, there's nothing stopping a dodgy takeaway from adding addictive ingredients to a curry. Nicotine, heroin. Small quantities but it would definitely drag back people with addictive natures.
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PostPosted: 00:00 - 24 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only good thing about Vape kits is that I AM MAKING MONEY out of it....

Yes, I deliver vape kits...
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PostPosted: 11:13 - 24 Feb 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Courier265 wrote:
The only good thing about Vape kits is that I AM MAKING MONEY out of it....

Yes, I deliver vape kits...


All I can say is.. it must be nuts down in the city. Do people not get off their backsides and go get things themselves? Sure I see the odd takeaway driver here and sometimes (rarely) see a delivery rider on a bicycle.
Give us a list of what you run I mean deliver??
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PostPosted: 15:54 - 31 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste for admin.
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PostPosted: 16:37 - 31 May 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 01:51 - 01 Jun 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 21:14 - 01 Jun 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

spambot for mod.
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PostPosted: 07:50 - 17 Jun 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

RhynoCZ wrote:


We're also still not sure on milk (healthy?), microplastics in water (is it gonna be an health issue?) added vitamins (especially vitamin C), ... and so on. Figuring out illefects on humans isn't just about puting data into a computer and pressing enter. It's also not that rare for those health organisations of yours to change their mind with higher level of knowledge on given topic.


Yes.

In the end I did a hard stop with any type of smoking. Vapes made me cough and tabs are evil and expensive.
I still feel that vapes will be another health problem sooner or later.
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PostPosted: 19:26 - 22 Sep 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

AndrewRoss wrote:
There are so many cases of vape causing serious illness in people, why do they still do it?


pretty sure that ciggies kill far more a year. are you a shill for big tobacco?
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PostPosted: 17:17 - 10 Oct 2020    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's all down to personal taste as to how you wish to end your life quicker than staying away form either sources.
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