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The problem is, there are at least 73 million people who are stupid enough. Biden may well have the presidency, but what to do with all these dangerous idiots, who aren't going to just change their minds overnight?
I have some ideas of how to deal with them. Firstly, Trump, his government and all the thousands (hundreds of thousands? ) of nazi white supremacists among their supporters can be tried and executed for crimes against humanity.
What about the millions left? Some may be able to be made to confess their crimes, in which case they can be shot. Others can be placed into internment camps. Now, I know that smacks of Stalinist principles, and obviously we're sensible, decent people. So we can call them re-education centres, or better still, special education centres, where they can have the correct political views instilled in them. That's humane, therapeutic for them even.
Having been persuaded away from my extreme right wing views by the eloquence and sheer logic of the devastating political argument of "Orange Man Bad" (the pure poetry of it!), people like me can be used to do the wet work, the dirty work that ordinary decent citizens haven't the bottle stomach for, i.e. the disposal of the worst offenders and those who fail to uptake the right-think that is required to readmit them to society. Then, since we started from this wrong-think position, when the nasty stuff has been taken care of, we can be accused of crimes against humanity also and disposed of.
This seems to me to be the only logical plan, the logical conclusion for the New World Order ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Islander wrote: | chickenstrip wrote: |
Undergo political re-education. It's the only answer. |
Well obv. |
I wasn't joking. I mean, how can decent society accept people who support Trump? We need a single, supreme political system. Once in place, we should dispose of democracy so that people can never return to such evil ideologies as Conservatism and the fascism it breeds.
Look, I know just how evil it is, having only recently been converted from it myself to the proper right-think. I'm telling you, if these things are not done...Hitler all over again before you know what's happening. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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But lest we forget, Trump got 73 million votes. |
We can edit that from the history books ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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You have to acknowledge it now, because it's still so fresh in the memory, but a year from now: "Over 70 million voted for Trump."
Give it two or three years: "Over 50 million voted for Trump" etc. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Kawasaki Jimbo wrote: | Easy-X wrote: | Biden got 79 million votes...But lest we forget, Trump got 73 million votes. That's more than Obama ever got. |
So Trump's one term inspired more of the qualified electorate to actually vote... against. |
And 8 million more to vote...for. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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So should Trump have intervened with federal power or not? Democrat city leaders were reported to have turned down his offer of help (Wheeler in Portland for e.g.). Or was that fake news? ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Islander wrote: | chickenstrip wrote: |
I wasn't joking. I mean, how can decent society accept people who support Trump? We need a single, supreme political system. Once in place, we should dispose of democracy so that people can never return to such evil ideologies as Conservatism and the fascism it breeds.
Look, I know just how evil it is, having only recently been converted from it myself to the proper right-think. I'm telling you, if these things are not done...Hitler all over again before you know what's happening. |
What needs to go is the party political system. Vote for the candidate that will do your constituency the most good rather than some faceless ideology based system that's going to shaft you regardless. |
So how can you be supportive of Biden and the Democrats as you have been throughout this thread? How has that helped to get rid of party political ideology?
Have you seen Bret Weinstein's suggestion with his "Unity 2020" project? It didn't gain any foothold, or even much interest, so how would you get rid of these ideologies anyway? And surely whatever you come up with is going to get labelled as an ideology anyway, which can then be attacked and discredited as soon as something doesn't work out?
How about the World Economic Forum's "Great Reset"? With world leaders getting together to agree on worldwide governmental systems, which is what they seem to be suggesting? But how do you get that going in practical terms?
To be sensible for a moment (for what it's worth ), I have always thought that having a democracy where parties are on either side of the centre, so that you can vote for the opposition when the party in power gets a bit too far over to its side of the spectrum. But what if the opposition has already gone too far in its manifesto before you get to vote? And this system can only work if the democratic vote is respected, as we saw with Brexit, and are now seeing in the USA. It can only work if there is good faith and respect for election results, whatever one may think of them.
For decades in the West we have had a system that worked. It wasn't perfect, but things could be improved bit by bit, it could self-adjust when necessary, and it was better than anything else the world had to offer - people seemed by and large happy with it. So what went wrong? ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Also, you can't blame everything on Trump. We get the same hysterical rhetoric against our politicians here, and in Europe. It wouldn't take much seemingly to push that as far as has happened in America. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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chickenstrip wrote: | So should Trump have intervened with federal power or not? Democrat city leaders were reported to have turned down his offer of help (Wheeler in Portland for e.g.). Or was that fake news? |
Are these questions too difficult to answer? ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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So how can you be supportive of Biden and the Democrats as you have been throughout this thread? How has that helped to get rid of party political ideology?
Have you seen Bret Weinstein's suggestion with his "Unity 2020" project? It didn't gain any foothold, or even much interest, so how would you get rid of these ideologies anyway? And surely whatever you come up with is going to get labelled as an ideology anyway, which can then be attacked and discredited as soon as something doesn't work out?
How about the World Economic Forum's "Great Reset"? With world leaders getting together to agree on worldwide governmental systems, which is what they seem to be suggesting? But how do you get that going in practical terms?
To be sensible for a moment (for what it's worth ), I have always thought that having a democracy where parties are on either side of the centre, so that you can vote for the opposition when the party in power gets a bit too far over to its side of the spectrum. But what if the opposition has already gone too far in its manifesto before you get to vote? And this system can only work if the democratic vote is respected, as we saw with Brexit, and are now seeing in the USA. It can only work if there is good faith and respect for election results, whatever one may think of them.
For decades in the West we have had a system that worked. It wasn't perfect, but things could be improved bit by bit, it could self-adjust when necessary, and it was better than anything else the world had to offer - people seemed by and large happy with it. So what went wrong? |
I noticed you didn't quote and comment on the PR comment
Biden is a much better proposition for the planet as a whole than Trump is or ever would be and that applies to the Republicans as well.
The US has more issues with the way it manages it's own weird brand of politics (Mentalboy gave an excellent example with what are, after all, public servants being politically appointed by electors and that includes law enforcement as well) so IMO the best agent of change there is is the Democratic party. I'm not holding my breath though.
You'll never change the economic system as long as there are greedy over wealthy idiots that don't give a hoot about anything other than stuffing their already overfull pockets with more cash and as long as they're allowed to interfere in politics and government. Capitalism has to go for there to be any real progress. I'm not sure what it would be replaced with but it's predicated on continuous growth and that's not possible on a planet of finite resources. It needs to be replaced with a more equitable system of financial management though.
The system here worked as long as it was largely people that came up through industry and the like (shop floor or management/owners) that felt strongly about issues, had some passion for political debate and were prepared to work across parties to improve things. What we have now is a bunch of career politicians that lack that experience and basically graduated into the system. That's a gross oversimplification but IMO it's what's at the heart of the decay. |
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I noticed you didn't quote and comment on the PR comment |
You don't comment on loads of stuff I ask of you directly
To be absolutely honest, I really haven't looked closely into the PR/FPTP argument. I suppose I will get around to it at some point.
Quote: | Biden is a much better proposition for the planet as a whole than Trump is or ever would be and that applies to the Republicans as well. |
But I still don't see any feasible solutions, unless the world opts for more nuclear power.
Having said that, I saw an article somewhere about Rolls Royce (propulsion division) talking about building 6(?) small reactors for power generation in the UK. I don't know if anything will come of this.
But solar and wind power seem to me to just not have the capability for worldwide use without covering just about every square inch of the planet in panels/wind farms. And then there's the still yet to be solved problem of power storage. We can't drop everything we have until these are solved.
Quote: | You'll never change the economic system as long as there are greedy over wealthy idiots that don't give a hoot about anything other than stuffing their already overfull pockets with more cash and as long as they're allowed to interfere in politics and government. Capitalism has to go for there to be any real progress. I'm not sure what it would be replaced with but it's predicated on continuous growth and that's not possible on a planet of finite resources. It needs to be replaced with a more equitable system of financial management though. |
I think it'd be more realistic to have some kind of strict imposition of regulation of global corporations rather than scrap capitalism. I don't think I'll ever be convinced that socialism will work on a large scale. There seems to be no end to how far you have to keep going with it for one thing, and you end up with poverty and misery for all. Or you'd at least have to call a halt to the production of new technology, since there'd be no way to pay for it all.
Quote: | The system here worked as long as it was largely people that came up through industry and the like (shop floor or management/owners) that felt strongly about issues, had some passion for political debate and were prepared to work across parties to improve things. What we have now is a bunch of career politicians that lack that experience and basically graduated into the system. That's a gross oversimplification but IMO it's what's at the heart of the decay. |
I did mention a little while ago that I thought we could do with experienced people from industry and such expertise as science, medicine etc having more involvement in government - the Chinese do it, and of course we wouldn't need to have the authoritarianism of their system too (although again, I think that's where socialism would eventually take us as a single ideology - I can't think of anywhere at any time where it hasn't).*
These people wouldn't make governmental decisions (and their ideas and opinions would still need to be cross-checked with others, or we'd constantly end up with what we're getting with the management of the Covid situation - over-reaction, poor science that doesn't appear to be peer reviewed in any way, whilst much of the scientific community disagrees and insists we are doing it all wrong) - perhaps something to replace the HoL.
But I totally agree that our current crop of politicians have no relevant experience, or even sufficient intelligence to run a country, in all parties.
*Incidentally, you talk of not having any specific ideologies, but as far as I can see, you're just suggesting an alternative already known ideology to what we currently have - socialism. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Islander wrote: | chickenstrip wrote: | Also, you can't blame everything on Trump. We get the same hysterical rhetoric against our politicians here, and in Europe. It wouldn't take much seemingly to push that as far as has happened in America. |
I can blame a lot on him and the religious right that prop him up. He's a vile specimen of humanity and the sooner he goes, the better. |
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Huh?
I really don't know what you're trying to say here but if you're implying that Trump was wrong to focus on jobs and the economy instead of promoting social cohesion I tend to agree. Whether you think he did a good job (up to Covid hitting anyway) is neither here nor there, he's a fool to think "judge me on my results" holds any sway in a political fight. ____________________ Husqvarna Vitpilen 401, Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter |
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