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Islander wrote: | I've never seen a single report from an astronomer about a UFO. |
There are several studies that show, contrary to the widespread fallacy, a highly significant percentage of astronomers among the observers.
“Observations of Anomalous Atmospheric Phenomena in the USSR: Statistical Analysis”, published by the Soviet Academy of Sciences in 1979 and translated into English by NASA as Technical Memorandum no. 75665 in 1980 . A statistical analysis of over 200 raw UFO reports in the Soviet Union. Astronomers accounted for 10 reports in the dataset. The Soviet numbers are clear: astronomers do report UFOs.
With colleagues prepared to stretch credulity to breaking point and employ ridicule in their efforts to debunk the phenomenon, it is to be expected that many remain silent. But not all.
Dr. Lincoln LaPaz, a leading scientist in the study of meteors described a sighting that he had in 1947
. . . The object clearly exhibited a sort of wobbling motion . . . This wobbling motion served to set off the object as a rigid, if not solid body. “This remarkably sudden ascent thoroughly convinced me that we were dealing with an absolutely novel airborne device.”
He did not believe that the object was of an astronomical nature, an illusion, a rocket, or a missile.
Clyde Tombaugh, the man who discovered Pluto. While sitting in his backyard saw an object dart across the night sky. It appeared to be oval shaped and had a blue-green glow. Tombaugh said it “seemed to trail off at the rear into a shapeless luminescence.” Tombaugh alleged that he also saw what appeared to be half a dozen windows on the front and the side of the craft.
In 2011, Irish astronomer Eamonn Ansbro claimed he was tracking UFOs , his studies have been published by the European Space Agency. He has named his project the Optical Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence (OSETI).
Astronomers at Canada’s David Dunlop Observatory in Richmond Hill, Ontario, have been holding lectures on UFOs. The lecturers include astronomers Dr. Koktay a researcher, and Dr. Shelton, who teaches astronomy at the University of Toronto. “We try to be open-mined and honest, we don’t just dismiss, because we [scientists] don’t know everything.” |
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Islander wrote: | chickenstrip wrote: |
If that were the case, they wouldn't have released the videos at all. |
Or releases an edited video which they did. |
Which Fravor explained, and I pointed out above.
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That's highly unlikely, especially as the object, and others previous to the video example, were fixed by shipborne systems also. |
Systems or Mark Is? |
Shipborne radar, as previously stated, and is clear in Fravor's account.
Quote: | A more prosaic analysis (not mine )
"Mundane, non-pseudoscientific explanations include instrument or software malfunction/anomaly/artifact,[22][23] human observational illusion (e.g., parallax) or interpretive error,[5][24][25][26] or common aircraft (e.g., a passenger airliner) or aerial device (e.g., weather balloon), with the science writer Mick West stating that the reported objects in these incidents are "most likely...a relatively slow-moving object like a bird or a balloon," and that "the jet filming it is moving fast, so this creates an illusion of speed against the ocean."[20][21] West stated that the GIMBAL video can be explained as footage of a distant plane with the apparent rotation actually being the glare in the IR camera rotating.[1]" |
The trouble with all such arguments is that they take one thing into consideration at a time, rather than considering all the evidence together. Two aircraft, from different perspectives, four sets of eyes. Shipborne radar fix. Video and IR imagery. Plus, previous radar fixes on similar or same. So you have to debunk them all at once, with a single explanation, instead of grasping here and there with various things that might, or more likely might not explain one aspect of the evidence presented, and all conflict with each other.
Quote: | chickenstrip wrote: | So you're claiming that amateur astronomers are more skilled at interpretation, on equipment they know nothing about by reason of it being classified, than military personnel that operate this equipment all the time? |
I stand by that statement as well. There are large numbers of amateur astronomers watching the sky every night and a smaller number during daytime (solar astronomy, transits, etc.). |
I'm sorry, but I'll take the evidence provided by a highly trained, highly experienced military fast jet pilot, who was at the incident, over a bunch of amateur astronomers who weren't there and know nothing about military procedures or equipments. Does that make me a bad person?
Quote: | Also highly trained military observers? They thought that the Orford Ness lighthouse was an alien UFO landing in Rendlesham forest. |
There's a word for that kind of argument...
Quote: | Again, no. I'm talking about the same as before only professionals this time using very sophisticated equipment that they may have had a hand in designing and building as well as operating. Again, I've never seen a single report from one. |
Ah, professional astronomers this time!
Very sophisticated equipment, huh? What, like state-of-the-art military target-and-track hardware that was employed in position at the time?
Quote: | Always the Rebel types that so desperately want to believe. Confirmation bias |
I am not Rebel, and I am not arguing for aliens. I have jumped to no conclusions because I know the evidence we have is not good enough to explain what was seen and detected. What I am saying is that it appears something unusual was detected by Fravor and others in this particular incident and it still awaits a convincing explanation. Nobody, including me, you, Rebel, and all the amateur astronomers or mad garden shed professors in the world have yet provided one. Nor anybody else that I'm aware of for that matter. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Ste wrote: | chickenstrip wrote: | Not sure which particular example you're referring to |
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Rebel wrote: | Islander wrote: | I've never seen a single report from an astronomer about a UFO. |
There are several studies that show, contrary to the widespread fallacy, a highly significant percentage of astronomers among the observers.
“Observations of Anomalous Atmospheric Phenomena in the USSR: Statistical Analysis”, published by the Soviet Academy of Sciences in 1979 and translated into English by NASA as Technical Memorandum no. 75665 in 1980 . A statistical analysis of over 200 raw UFO reports in the Soviet Union. Astronomers accounted for 10 reports in the dataset. The Soviet numbers are clear: astronomers do report UFOs.
With colleagues prepared to stretch credulity to breaking point and employ ridicule in their efforts to debunk the phenomenon, it is to be expected that many remain silent. But not all.
Dr. Lincoln LaPaz, a leading scientist in the study of meteors described a sighting that he had in 1947
. . . The object clearly exhibited a sort of wobbling motion . . . This wobbling motion served to set off the object as a rigid, if not solid body. “This remarkably sudden ascent thoroughly convinced me that we were dealing with an absolutely novel airborne device.”
He did not believe that the object was of an astronomical nature, an illusion, a rocket, or a missile.
Clyde Tombaugh, the man who discovered Pluto. While sitting in his backyard saw an object dart across the night sky. It appeared to be oval shaped and had a blue-green glow. Tombaugh said it “seemed to trail off at the rear into a shapeless luminescence.” Tombaugh alleged that he also saw what appeared to be half a dozen windows on the front and the side of the craft.
In 2011, Irish astronomer Eamonn Ansbro claimed he was tracking UFOs , his studies have been published by the European Space Agency. He has named his project the Optical Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence (OSETI).
Astronomers at Canada’s David Dunlop Observatory in Richmond Hill, Ontario, have been holding lectures on UFOs. The lecturers include astronomers Dr. Koktay a researcher, and Dr. Shelton, who teaches astronomy at the University of Toronto. “We try to be open-mined and honest, we don’t just dismiss, because we [scientists] don’t know everything.” |
Lincoln LaPaz:
"LaPaz's true beliefs about the origins of UFOs are a bit muddled. Two witnesses have said that LaPaz told them he was of the opinion that the Roswell crash object was an unmanned extraterrestrial probe. The green fireballs he also felt were artificial in origin because of their anomalous characteristics. But government documents and public statements make it clear he thought they were probably Russian spy devices. (see green fireballs for details)
LaPaz's last known comments on UFOs and the green fireballs occurred in 1965 during a visit by astronomer J. Allen Hynek, a consultant to the Air Force's Project Blue Book UFO investigation. Hynek was also investigating the Socorro incident. According to Hynek, LaPaz felt the fireballs were the most important part of the UFO phenomenon. He remained convinced that the fireballs' anomalous characteristics had never been adequately explained by the official investigation. LaPaz continued to think the green fireballs were artificial, but now believed the fireballs, and also the Socorro craft, to be highly secret projects of the U.S. government. He also accused Hynek, Project Blue Book, and others of being part of "a grand cover-up for something the government does not want discussed".[4]"
Clyde Tombaugh did indeed discover Pluto through diligent observation and Percival Lowell's calculations under the direction of his supervisor. He also independently discovered a number of asteroids. He was a good astronomer, no doubt about that but he did go off the rails and became obsessed with UFOs and extra-terrestrial intelligences. He wasn't exactly rational about this - here's an example:
"In 1949, Tombaugh had also told the Naval missile director at White Sands Missile Range, Commander Robert McLaughlin, that he had seen a bright flash on Mars on August 27, 1941, which he now attributed to an atomic blast.[32] Tombaugh also noted that the first atomic bomb tested in New Mexico would have lit up the dark side of the Earth like a neon sign and that Mars was coincidentally quite close at the time, the implication apparently being that the atomic test would have been visible from Mars."
Eamonn Ansbro:
https://www.blather.net/theblather/1998/10/eamon_ansbro_no_threat_whatsoever/
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/meet-the-man-who-intends-to-make-contact-with-extra-terrestrials-from-irelands-roswell-34656517.html
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/meet-the-man-who-intends-to-make-contact-with-extra-terrestrials-from-irelands-roswell-34656517.html
He does appear to have been involved with SETI but I'm not convinced...
I keep an eye on the astronomy community having been involved at a hobby level for many years. I've seen no reports of unexplained lights in the sky strange craft whizzing around or LGM.
I keep an open mind but the conspiracy theory movement deserves to be approached with scepticism as their claims and assertions prove time after time, to be ridiculous. |
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Another fuzzy photo. Odd that when all the photos I've seen taken from the ISS and its environs have been pin sharp and crisp.
It's a sexton. Quelle surprise |
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That one was debunked by NASA ages ago. It's a thermal blanket that got 'lost' during an EVA.
You're really desperate to believe in all this tosh aren't you? Are you missing something in your life? |
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Funny looking 'fabric' . The observer claims it changed directions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SU95uIYMOgI
But hey, stick to the NASA* version of events if it makes you feel comfortable.
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He didn't. As is often the case, conspiracy theorists add little snippets like this to make an alien spaceship out of a natural, if unfamiliar, phenomenon. |
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Different object, footage and rotational speed. |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 3 years, 154 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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